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welcome back to another episode of

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liminal frames I'm your co-host Nathan

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and I'm joined by my friend colleague

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and co-host Darren exo-academian Darren

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this time we are back in the studio not

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outside because as things often happen

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in the colder months of the year where

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we live it can go from comfortable in

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the evening to absolutely frigid and

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that's where we are this evening so I

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really enjoyed our our outdoor session

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we had as far as I could tell we didn't

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have a single complaint about the

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outdoor ambient noise this time which I

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was very pleased with uh and uh you know

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that that conversation was really

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meaningful to me and and I enjoyed the

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reactions that we got from there from

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the listeners so what did you think

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about that one and uh and how are things

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um and on that recording yeah I agree I

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didn't notice a single negative one and

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I think the crackling of the fire came

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in just at sort of the right level to

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make people feel the Ambiance without it

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being overwhelming and uh the siren was

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the only sort of like outlier but uh

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that kind of you know worked in

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thematically to what was being discussed

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at the time uh and it was a great

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experience and like you said we went

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from last week having you know unusually

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warm like mid 70s only a few days ago to

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dipping below freezing at night so uh

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definitely good to be back in the studio

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and I have a candle lit at least in

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there we go yes in dedication to our

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fire from last time an open flame is a

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requirement yeah that's good right well

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uh this is uh episode 18. it's uh hard

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to believe but uh we're also coming up

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toward the end of the year

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uh first year of the show and it's been

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quite a journey uh this evening we

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wanted to spend some time going through

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some some questions from our listeners

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related to your most recent uh point of

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convergence episode as well as some

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other things that that we've been

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talking about on liminal frames and so

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the structure of tonight's show is going

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to be going through some of those

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listener questions giving Darren a

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chance to provide some input but also

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I'll have a chance to kind of ask my own

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questions in in opine as well so I'm

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looking forward to this we haven't quite

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done one quite like this and I think it

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will be a good time so to start off with

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this episode we're going to focus on a

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question related to

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space time

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and the question specifically is can you

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elaborate more on time being parallel of

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course they they said perhaps a visual

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such as a flow chart which maybe we can

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work on offline I personally have

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considered time to be an infinite number

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of timelines every possibility existing

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all at the same time constantly flowing

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Consciousness however my understanding

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slash theory is probably not correct

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a couple things on this one um sort of

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way I sort of communicated to people to

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when you um when you drop a rock in a

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pond right what happens is and sort of

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picture the left and the right of the

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rock being the past and the future right

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metaphorically but when you drop a rock

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you'll see ripples Go in all directions

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equally you know equidistant kind of

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spiraling out from uh from the center

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impacting events

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um from the future are so impacting that

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they send these kind of waves that also

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data on this even around for instance

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the day before kind of thing 9 11. so

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it's like something is arriving from the

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future that kind of you know ripple

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effect and something in our

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actually registering on something like

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the random number generator which is

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being impacted by Consciousness waves

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basically and if you remember when I

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talked about my experience at Monroe

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when we were actually joining together

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in a coherent field it um literally

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field in terms of being out in the field

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but also a coherent resonant field

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experience we also had one of the staff

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at Monroe was running a random number

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generator experiment up on the side of

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the mountain and sure enough there was a

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spike right around the time not just

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that we saw a phenomena manifest in the

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sky but also at the time when we started

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field right really being concentrated

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because we're used to walking through

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time in a linear fashion right and it

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experience it usually right

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um when he asked for a

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some sort of illustration or some sort

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of diagram

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is I would describe it more like a

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tapestry so when you think about a

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tapestry

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you can if you would like get a

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microscope you can zoom down and see

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like threads right down to a thread on

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this huge tapestry right and the threads

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are are in multiple directions right to

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sort of like really create a strong

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fabric right that's sort of woven

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together and I would say like our

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timeline is one of those threads and

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there's threads running parallel there's

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running there's threads that are running

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against it diagonally right and and this

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is reality and even when we when we look

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time they think about this kind of block

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space time that it basically exists as

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it fully is finally finished kind of

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thing all space all time right

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that's that's from physics that's not

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like just you know a bunch of woo people

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sitting around a fire saying wait don't

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you think the universe is this way this

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is what physicist or physicists are

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saying uh so everything's pointing in

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this direction and I think this is one

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thing people do need to be aware of even

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if you're more of a nuts and bolts type

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is that all of The Cutting Edge physics

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is pointing in these really exotic

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it and I would say that even when you

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think about that question right you sort

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of you picked this apart and I talked

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about this in my uh presentation in New

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nothing in the English language prevents

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us from asking questions that sound

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legitimate but when you really pull

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apart the question you realize this is a

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nonsensical question not because the

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person wasn't thinking it through but

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because we are betrayed by the way we

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think about time and so we can't even

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and our language is also built around

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our usual default experience of time so

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even our language makes it almost

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impossible to construct this in a

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meaningful way and because it's number

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one embedded in our language which

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reflects our thought process

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um it makes it impossible for us to

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really understand that what we're asking

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is a non-coherent question because if

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he talked about is time like this as we

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walk through time and then so it's sort

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of like trying to talk about the very

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thing you want to pull apart but doing

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it with some assumptions baked in

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basically uh so that's what I would say

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physics is pointing in these exotic

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directions time is not what we think it

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is Einstein famously said famously said

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you know it's a way we think it's not

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really a mode in which we live and when

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you've had some of these experiences

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uh when you're kind of in these

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alternate Realms you have then the

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contrasting experience of

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feeling that time doesn't work that way

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you're either completely outside of time

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different than what we walk in here and

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that makes a big big difference because

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then this goes beyond Concepts at that

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point you have like a a felt

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understanding of what it's like

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even when we talk about past lives it

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gets really tricky right because again

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you heard what I said there past lives

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right so we're taking this thing we're

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baking it into this linear thing like as

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we assume a lifetime marches

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progressively forward one One Direction

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Right unidirectional so therefore if

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I've had other lifetimes they must have

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been before or after but that's really

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not what Cutting Edge physics is

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pointing towards either nor is it really

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what most metaphysical uh conceptions

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all of these things are happening and

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here I'm going to go again say at the

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same time but again you can see how I'm

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baked into that language again so this

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is what we're kind of getting at the

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bottom line is our experience here is of

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linear time most of the time

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and I think we need to understand that

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with many of these matters there's a

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difference between our experience of

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something and the way it really is even

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have a major breakthrough in

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understanding on some of the um

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epiphanies I've had I guarantee you it's

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still partial but still based on the way

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my Consciousness is formed right now and

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and how my Consciousness can make sense

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of this kind of information that puts

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limitations on it

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um there are going to be beings that are

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that can understand a much broader

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perspective than I can that's just

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always part of the situation the same

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way that the kind of programs you could

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run on a computer an Atari computer in

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the 1980s uh is you know pales in

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comparison to what you can run today

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it's kind of like that is it partially

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true absolutely did it work yes was it a

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valid experience of playing a video game

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playing Pac-Man in 1986 yes is that like

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a VR game today no so it's it's both and

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there's a difference between

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what we experienced versus what the way

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things really are and no matter what

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we're experiencing it's always going to

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be partial based on this understanding

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of this spiral of consciousness

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that leads me to a question I'd like you

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to speak to and that is the issue of

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causality so how do you think of

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causality and uh and determinism free

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will

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in in this kind of conception I think a

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lot of folks are gonna

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uh have concerns about that you know do

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I have freedom of choice and it sounds

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in a way like maybe I don't like it's

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all happening at once and so I'm not

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really making a decision like how do you

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think of that in this cosmology

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yeah it's a good question and I think

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you're right that that's often where

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people go

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um and I want to again say a couple

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things one about

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the way that physics understands that

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now

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one of the implications of quantum

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theory was that determinism kind of went

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out the door right which is uh was so

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core to our understanding of reality

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prior to then right so it's it's

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remarkable when you think back to the

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fact that only about a hundred years ago

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are understanding took a while to sort

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of really kick in but our understanding

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of the very way reality Works

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fundamentally shifted once you know

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Quantum experiments came online

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it went from this understanding that

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there's cause and effect right a leads

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to B leads to C

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and then never the other way around to

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then suddenly realizing that it's more

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like at the quantum level

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every possible way forward is traced out

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as a probability

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right so you have this range of

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probabilities and then the most

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efficient one was chosen

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so that as opposed to cause and effect

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so it looks like cause and effect so

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this is another perfect example that

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relates to what we just finished talking

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about where

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in our experience it sure looks like

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I kicked over the thing and it fell over

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and Spilled the milk right so it looks

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like that's exactly what happened that's

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her experience of it that's a completely

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valid way of saying our experience uh is

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accurately described by that scenario

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but actually what's going on behind the

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scenes on the quantum scales very very

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different so

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that's the first thing I would say is

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that

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again this is not woo this is not crazy

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metaphysics I'm saying physics already

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conventional physics understands this

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the determinism is kind of out the door

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not to mention local realism and all

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this other crazy implications

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um

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but importantly again I would say

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differentiate between our experience of

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something or how it looks to US versus

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the way it really is even if you could

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describe space-time as this kind of

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block where all space and time is in a

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finished state right

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our experience is not like that

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we are one of the characters in the

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movie even if the movie is completely

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finished right so the one in one hand

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you can say some being from a certain

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perspective at a high enough dimensional

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level can see the whole movie finished

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if they want they can run the final few

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frames that's not our experience though

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we're one of the characters in the film

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running it through and experiencing the

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energetic wavelengths emotionally as we

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go through it in what feels like real

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time and that makes it valid so it

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doesn't matter that there's some way of

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seeing it differently because our

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experience is is almost always this kind

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of linear I make decisions and then I

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experience consequences kind of thing

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and I think that's kind of the way the

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VR setup has been put together so to

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speak so that we do have precisely that

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experience so that we can learn through

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trial and error and that's kind of how

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it's set up even if it's not ultimately

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got it so it's uh it's in a way it's

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kind of illusory but with a purpose

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um the other thing that I guess came to

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mind is this notion of like

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superposition

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uh you know is it is it conceivable that

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this I know this could kind of dip into

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the Multiverse

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concept which I don't think we're

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espousing here but

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where multiple

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you know decision pass

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you know are

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not just available in terms and one is

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chosen but all all can be chosen like is

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it can it can it run

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forwards and backwards uh you know and

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new outcomes basically be produced

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yes and I think that again is going to

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be trippy to some people but again this

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there's actually

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um you know evidence for this

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uh it's called retro causation right

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it's this notion that not only do we

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have precognition where people know the

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future ahead of time but we have retro

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causation where the future seems to

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change the past or where our present

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could change the past

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but

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this gets really trippy to talk about

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and it's fun to talk about but it's good

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to remember that

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it's like levels of a simulation I don't

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literally mean a simulation in terms of

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some alien set up a computer program and

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we're just avatars in it I mean that

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every

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layer of reality regardless of what

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dimensional sort of scale you're at is

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to some degree illusory right because

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everything's ultimately one everything's

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connected to Consciousness and it's just

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a

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Consciousness right so

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we'll come back to this probably a few

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times in this program because it is

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tricky to get your to wrap your head

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around it

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but the more and more you can come back

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to that of you know there is Oneness and

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everything is an expression of that

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Oneness ultimately when you think about

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things in that way and so whenever you

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ask any of these questions to ask

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yourself how does that come back to the

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sense of Oneness to non-duality right

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how does that change how I think about

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this

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um

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so yeah it's uh it's complex stuff but I

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think again the key is that

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it is illusory in the sense that

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um it's not fundamentally real right

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it's not the it's not base reality but

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it nevertheless is

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um something we're meant to experience

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and we're meant to have the illusion of

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time and space because that becomes the

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stage in which Shakespeare can write the

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play that the actors sort of you know

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walk upon the stage and make decisions

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and walk through these sets and learn

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and that kind of thing right so it's

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like that but um it's meaningful even if

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it's not literally true mm-hmm

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well that's a good segue into the next

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question which is about non-duality uh

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this question is if all Consciousness is

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coming from the One Source how is it

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that someone else's Consciousness can be

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more immature than somebody else's in

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other words why don't we all have the

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same sort of conscious experience

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okay so for a fun experiment why don't I

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throw that back at you and what would

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you say to that to that question

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well uh you know my understanding of

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this is that the

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singular source of Consciousness that

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Oneness it requires

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experience and to have experience it

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must be in relationship with something

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that is different than itself and so to

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accomplish that it uh you know kind of

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you can you can come up with a lot of

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different words here dissolves or

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fragments or broken into a smaller

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constituent pieces and those pieces each

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have experience a conscious awareness

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that is distinct and different and that

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distinction and that difference is

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important because in that difference

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there is relational meaning there is

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novel experience if everything is still

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the same then no novelty exists it is

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all

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that Singularity that that Oneness so

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that explains why we have some

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individuals the individual conscious

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agents who have a a a lower degree or a

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lesser degree of awareness than others

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uh you know not here we can talk about

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you know down to the smallest

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constituent you know conscious agents

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maybe even to the you know Atomic or

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subatomic level and then you can go to

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the higher levels that that you know

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human beings have a higher degree of

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conscious awareness than than the atoms

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do we're in relationship with one

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another that Dynamic is what generates

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meaning and value and that is sort of

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the one of the fundamental aims of

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the one Consciousness itself

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right absolutely so it's um

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yeah it's this notion that

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the one Consciousness like the cosmic

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intelligence right or God if you can

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handle it without the baggage

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um

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to

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bring in new information it sort of you

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know voluntarily goes through this

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forgetting process right forgets that

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it's the one consciousness

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disassociates to use a Bernardo castrip

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kind of uh metaphor and the same way

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that you can actually have an individual

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human being who actually can have

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multiple alternate Personalities

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coexisting in their mind right who

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literally have a different experience of

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life like I mentioned before in this

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podcast one can be an atheist another

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one can be a strong religious believer

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in the same mind right sometimes one

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will have allergies that the other one

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won't have I mean quite literally this

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just shows you how we have evidence for

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this already same body right and yet

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somehow somehow this person's mind

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experience right again think about

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illusory right think about a projection

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that projection in its fullness is

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creating allergic reactions in the body

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which is the same body that a different

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altar within that mind does not not have

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those allergic reactions which again

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shows you how this kind of a

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Consciousness uh aspect behind the body

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mind aspect right

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so in the same way the one Cosmic

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intelligence disassociates into new

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altars that experience novel uh

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experience right they they experience

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the world or the universe in new ways

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00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,539
and with their free will make decisions

561
00:21:31,850 --> 00:21:29,280
that would have been different than what

562
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:31,860
the original Cosmic intelligence would

563
00:21:37,789 --> 00:21:35,340
have done which create new feedback new

564
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,799
data new lessons that ultimately again

565
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:40,200
get get contributed back to that one

566
00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:43,020
source right when we reincarnate that

567
00:21:46,730 --> 00:21:44,760
kind of thing right it all gets

568
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:46,740
contributed back and then in a very real

569
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:48,120
way and someone actually just tweeted

570
00:21:51,770 --> 00:21:49,559
this to me and they asked is it kind of

571
00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:51,780
like that's the evolution of God and I

572
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:52,919
said yeah it's a good way to think about

573
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,000
it that

574
00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:56,400
by that process happening over and over

575
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,980
again you actually have the cosmic

576
00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,960
intelligence itself evolving as part of

577
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,520
the system

578
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:03,120
um

579
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,360
and in terms of you know why some are

580
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:08,340
further along than others that's that's

581
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,400
complex number one because

582
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:14,880
you don't always run at the same speed

583
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,740
you don't always run in One Direction

584
00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:18,299
there's times where people will actually

585
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,500
regress you know if they're at a really

586
00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:23,520
you know one thing that happens when

587
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:25,320
people incarnate into this this

588
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:26,700
particular iteration

589
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:28,620
they often will come in with the certain

590
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:31,620
lessons they need to learn uh I I call

591
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:34,020
it this energetic waveform that wants to

592
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,460
resolve itself that's unique to every

593
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,080
single one of us that we then contribute

594
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,840
that back to the to the totality but

595
00:22:43,250 --> 00:22:41,039
some people

596
00:22:45,049 --> 00:22:43,260
are get so caught up in the denseness of

597
00:22:46,970 --> 00:22:45,059
this experience

598
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,980
um that they never sort of wake up to

599
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:49,679
that larger purpose and they get

600
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,020
completely fooled by the illusion they

601
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:53,520
convince they convince themselves that

602
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,980
the illusion is Ultimate Reality they

603
00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:57,600
think that the

604
00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:59,100
things that matter to them that they

605
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,780
worry about in this lifetime is all

606
00:23:04,669 --> 00:23:02,940
there is they start believing the sort

607
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:04,679
of reductionistic materialist you know

608
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,159
message that you know you're a slab of

609
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:10,679
meat that when it when it's done it just

610
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,820
dissolves in the ground there's nothing

611
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:13,380
more to you when you believe that it's

612
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:14,760
going to very much change the way you

613
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,620
make decisions and it can actually make

614
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:18,360
your Consciousness regress you can

615
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:21,840
actually go backwards and when any

616
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,659
um Soul sort of incarnates that's always

617
00:23:28,370 --> 00:23:26,400
a risk you kind of on the one hand want

618
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:28,380
to create some resistance right in

619
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,640
incarnation

620
00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:31,679
that will make you grow right that you

621
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,059
can then contribute back to the whole

622
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,480
but if you have too much resistance you

623
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:38,280
can actually forget who you really are

624
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,860
or never wake up to it and then you can

625
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,679
actually regress so there's that that's

626
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:45,900
partly explains why people are different

627
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,380
um points also as every altar sort of

628
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:51,299
splits off from the original uh Central

629
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:53,460
Intelligence that happens over and over

630
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:54,900
and over again so you have sort of

631
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:57,240
layers of reality going on right again

632
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:59,100
you could almost use simulation as a

633
00:24:04,970 --> 00:24:01,080
kind of analogy there

634
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:04,980
so one altar that's like 19 you know

635
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:07,260
disassociations from the original then

636
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:10,860
also has disassociations so one person

637
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,720
on the earth might be a 19 19th level

638
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,500
disassociation where someone else might

639
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:19,080
be like a 15th level right because to

640
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:20,760
add a bit more complexity to it I'm not

641
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:21,960
trying to overwhelm people here but

642
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:24,179
there's you know in my experience of

643
00:24:27,529 --> 00:24:25,740
understanding this stuff

644
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,539
with some of the downloads I've had this

645
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:29,520
is what comes up is that and I've kind

646
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:32,100
of hinted at this in in those uh eight

647
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:35,100
new cosmology kind of tweets I made one

648
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,080
is that there's different constitutional

649
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,640
backgrounds amongst the people people

650
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:40,799
that are walking the planet today so not

651
00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:44,280
everybody only has Earth human arising

652
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,900
from you know

653
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:47,760
Apes kind of thing as part of their

654
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:50,940
background some people have uh other

655
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:53,100
kinds of beings in their background in

656
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:55,320
other kinds of incarnations and that

657
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,200
changes where they are in terms of this

658
00:25:02,510 --> 00:24:59,940
process the spiraling of Consciousness

659
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,520
so you can see how it gets complex

660
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:04,559
pretty quickly but when people talk

661
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,700
about

662
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:07,860
you know it's weird i i people call me

663
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,740
an old soul right and I when I've as

664
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:12,240
I've become an adult I realize my

665
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,799
parents in some ways are fairly young

666
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,120
Souls that's kind of what they're

667
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:17,280
talking about obviously they don't mean

668
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:18,539
that they've lived longer than their

669
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,039
parents in this iteration they haven't

670
00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:22,740
but what they mean is that deep wisdom

671
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:25,020
that is the part of us that does carry

672
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,779
over between each iteration that is not

673
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,640
about knowledge necessarily it's not

674
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,799
necessarily knowing I was Cleopatra or

675
00:25:36,409 --> 00:25:33,840
you know Genghis Khan in a previous

676
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:36,419
lifetime but something about this

677
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,299
underlying principled understanding of

678
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:41,580
wisdom that you carry with you some

679
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,140
people have that in drove some people

680
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:45,840
not so much and that usually

681
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,419
um goes back to how many iterations

682
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:51,000
they've been through and or what kind of

683
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,940
iterations they've been through

684
00:25:58,990 --> 00:25:55,980
it's an excellent explanation I love

685
00:26:04,490 --> 00:25:59,000
this concept I love uh thinking about it

686
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,500
uh I think also we've discussed the

687
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,200
sort of multi-layer components of it

688
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,900
that not only

689
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,820
can you have individuals with sort of

690
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,520
different uh

691
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,039
layers of separation from the single

692
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,960
Consciousness but but even conscious

693
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:21,840
agents can be aggregated just as we are

694
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
Aggregates of our cells uh in our bodies

695
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,559
you know we don't have the experience I

696
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:30,179
don't have the experience of a single

697
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:33,480
cell that is in my body but it is a part

698
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:37,260
of me uh and so just as that is true it

699
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:40,440
is also true that there are uh sort of

700
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:43,020
larger for lack of better term conscious

701
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,480
agents of which we are constituent

702
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:48,539
pieces and so they have their own

703
00:26:55,310 --> 00:26:51,059
energetic expression and behavior and

704
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:55,320
awareness that is larger than what our

705
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,980
experience happens to be and we are all

706
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:00,539
on a journey

707
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,380
uh expressing and and you know climbing

708
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,120
to use another sort of way to think of

709
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:10,080
it a ladder of conscious development

710
00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:12,179
um and that letter can't we can go up or

711
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:14,520
wrong and down a rung uh and and and

712
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,679
then there are probably ladders to each

713
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:19,140
to each side of us as well

714
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,539
that's a great point and I think

715
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,039
again I try not to overwhelm people

716
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:25,140
because sometimes they'll be like can

717
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:26,760
you answer this question and instead I I

718
00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,140
sort of Point them in the direction of

719
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,539
five new questions but or five new

720
00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:32,640
matters to bring into consideration as a

721
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:34,620
variable but you you hit on right there

722
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:37,860
a major one and that is that

723
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:40,799
sometimes people will write me and say

724
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,600
so that's great that you have these

725
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,919
downloads but how do you know it's not

726
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,419
from your higher self

727
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:47,700
and I'll say absolutely some of it is

728
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:51,059
from my higher self but importantly some

729
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,100
of my higher self is no longer just a

730
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,720
single entity

731
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,000
and I kind of touched on this

732
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:00,559
um in the podcast episode on the weekend

733
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:04,380
that part of what I enter into in sort

734
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:05,940
of this alternate realm is this

735
00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:08,100
experience of a kind of a planetary

736
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,779
Consciousness where it's a plurality

737
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:11,700
right and

738
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,820
it feels very very different than this

739
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,840
experience

740
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,340
um but I'm still I still have a feeling

741
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:19,679
of I right I still I am right I still

742
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,440
have that I amness experience but it's

743
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,600
very very different

744
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,299
um so but yeah and what's really

745
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,520
interesting about this is that it fits

746
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:31,559
very much with even Donald Hoffman's

747
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:32,820
work right and you kind of pointed at

748
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,679
that when you said conscious agent which

749
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,320
is his term that when you look at the

750
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:40,559
math of it you can break it down to you

751
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,059
know one

752
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,000
small entity you know having a conscious

753
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,039
experience but then when you have an

754
00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:48,960
interaction between two of those it

755
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:51,539
creates a new conscious agent right and

756
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:53,340
you can keep keep scaling that all the

757
00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:56,400
way up to back to Oneness again where

758
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,919
when you combine all of us we also even

759
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,080
in the math it works right according to

760
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,440
this theorem that you then get this one

761
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:06,419
really intricate

762
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,140
quilt-like pattern again which is the

763
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:12,960
um has amongst its Constitution all of

764
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:19,130
fantastic we could spend the rest of the

765
00:29:23,149 --> 00:29:21,720
show on that one concept but uh but we

766
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:23,159
won't we're gonna keep going a lot of

767
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,659
other questions to cover here so this

768
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:26,580
one is going to get uh a lot more

769
00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,399
specific uh to something that's taken

770
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,100
place over the last year in your life

771
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:35,220
um and so this person is wanting to know

772
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:38,100
what does Darren's take on the uh Chris

773
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:41,100
Bledsoe story now that uh Darren has

774
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,899
come away from a year of directly

775
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:45,419
experiencing the phenomenon uh in

776
00:29:51,649 --> 00:29:49,559
Chris's vicinity and his Social Circle

777
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,659
right so give to give people a bit of

778
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,279
context there

779
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:54,720
um some people will know that some won't

780
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,200
uh that I uh took part in this retreat

781
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:00,419
at the Monroe Institute

782
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:02,760
um back in when was it may I think

783
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,500
somewhere around there

784
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:06,960
um and uh Chris was one of the people

785
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,980
there

786
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:10,440
um a few other people John Alexander and

787
00:30:15,529 --> 00:30:12,779
Sean Hasbrook and hargens and my friend

788
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,539
uh well several people were there

789
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:18,360
Hill some other people too

790
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:19,320
um

791
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:24,350
as we've talked about before in this

792
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:27,179
show and as Joseph Burks has mentioned

793
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,059
if you want to have an experience of ce5

794
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,880
or Heist uh your chances go up a lot if

795
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:35,039
you are around a prime experiencer these

796
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,299
are people who

797
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:38,640
since they're young have

798
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,580
kind of a magnetic interaction with some

799
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,880
aspects of the phenomenon and often

800
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:46,500
things will manifest in their presence

801
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:49,080
that doesn't always hold true there's

802
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:51,000
sometimes where a certain period of Life

803
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,740
kicks in and it no longer happens and I

804
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:53,760
think for some people that can be

805
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,260
difficult I won't name names but

806
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:00,000
in my case

807
00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:01,980
um you know I went to the Monroe

808
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:03,779
Institute and

809
00:31:08,029 --> 00:31:06,179
had never while I had seen some things

810
00:31:11,630 --> 00:31:08,039
in my life I'd never sort of had a

811
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,640
direct intentional you know C5 proactive

812
00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:13,140
let's make it happen now or let's try to

813
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,480
make it happen Let's Help let's try to

814
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,340
make contact and see if we have an

815
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,159
experience and that that happened we saw

816
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:21,360
several things that happened over the

817
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:24,120
several nights of that Retreat

818
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,000
um and I have no doubt that there was a

819
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,559
really strong coherent field amongst the

820
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,539
group itself there was this resonant

821
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:32,700
field which is really essential but I'm

822
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:34,020
sure that

823
00:31:38,450 --> 00:31:35,700
um Chris being there was a big part of

824
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:38,460
that as well so I'm really thankful to

825
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:39,960
have been a part of that

826
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:43,500
and I also had an experience at Chris

827
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,299
bledsoe's house

828
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,039
um a couple months after that so in the

829
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,340
summertime I was there and uh had some

830
00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:52,140
more even more amazing things show up in

831
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,159
the sky

832
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:55,740
um so as I said in the podcast episode

833
00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,919
that helped really ground into my

834
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:00,600
knowledge base that this is just

835
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:01,980
something that happens this is part of

836
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,360
our reality there's there's no question

837
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:06,000
mark at that point so that that

838
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,340
definitely helped to open a channel and

839
00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:10,679
to ground the channel you know

840
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:11,340
um

841
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,980
and when I think about

842
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,600
you know Chris's experience I would

843
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:18,600
definitely say that he's one of the most

844
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,740
um

845
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,659
well-known experiencers because he's had

846
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,240
just had so much happen in his lifetime

847
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:26,039
and there's been so many people

848
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,440
including credible Witnesses government

849
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:30,960
people and whatnot that have flocked to

850
00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:33,000
him and had also had experiences so I

851
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,520
became yet another one of these people

852
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:37,200
who have been in his presence while this

853
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,419
is happening right and then often as as

854
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,039
happens with kind of this hitchhiker

855
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:43,260
effect you carry it home

856
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,240
so um

857
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,919
um you know I remember even Bob McGuire

858
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,200
said to me you know if you go to Chris's

859
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,120
house be prepared for some hitchhikers

860
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:52,559
you know and that's kind of what

861
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,080
happened right so a lot of this stuff

862
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:56,700
this really Clear Channel of

863
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,220
communication began at Monroe and then

864
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,140
just got stronger after that

865
00:33:05,690 --> 00:33:03,720
um so that definitely seems to have been

866
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:05,700
the case and so I I look at Chris's

867
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,140
experience and

868
00:33:13,009 --> 00:33:10,380
I I always believed him even before I

869
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:13,019
had met him and before I had had

870
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,760
experiences

871
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,320
um

872
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,840
there's no doubt that uh it's a famous

873
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,120
case for a good reason and not just

874
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,720
because of what he's seen but because

875
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,600
you know all of the pretty much every uh

876
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:29,519
alphabet agency you can think of has

877
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,559
also pursued his case because they know

878
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:34,320
it's legitimate and it's happening uh so

879
00:33:39,289 --> 00:33:35,880
it's it's a fascinating case and I'm

880
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,299
just uh thankful that um our paths

881
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:42,179
crossed at one point and it sort of uh

882
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,620
changed the course of my life in some

883
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,120
ways

884
00:33:51,889 --> 00:33:48,179
yeah and I would wonder too if uh what

885
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:51,899
you would say to this do you think that

886
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:55,019
Chris's experience and

887
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:56,940
maybe even a certain degree his presence

888
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,220
is acts as a kind of catalyst for others

889
00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:00,720
and it's I think it's a good example

890
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,519
where

891
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,860
that

892
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:07,200
we use the term hitchhiker effect as a

893
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,760
very negative kind of thing but there's

894
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:10,440
this sort of sense in which

895
00:34:15,169 --> 00:34:13,320
uh Prime contactees and you know

896
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,179
exposure to them or connection to them

897
00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:17,940
can catalyze experience in other

898
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:20,339
individuals but I think an important

899
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,659
point to make as well is that that

900
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,000
experience isn't the same it's not like

901
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:26,159
you're just cloning you know Chris

902
00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,899
bledsoe's experience and you're having

903
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,879
the same Chris Bledsoe experience you're

904
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:31,500
having your own experience that is

905
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,099
contextualized in in your you know your

906
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:37,619
lived embodiment right so what is how do

907
00:34:41,869 --> 00:34:39,480
you think about that and and what does

908
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:41,879
that say to you about you know kind of

909
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,099
what what's happening at the lower

910
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,800
at the lower light levels here that's a

911
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:48,000
great question

912
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,740
um I think that's a really worthy

913
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,540
follow-up because it's an important

914
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,580
distinction to make so for instance

915
00:34:57,730 --> 00:34:55,800
while my

916
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,740
content experience is definitely

917
00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:00,420
increased after

918
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,859
um having met Chris and after having

919
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,420
been at Monroe

920
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:05,460
I would also point out as I did in the

921
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,140
podcast that I I had had some

922
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:09,180
experiences prior to that including an

923
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,460
experience of contact via meditation

924
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,700
that happened like around 2010 and a

925
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:17,460
protocol that was suggested to me then

926
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:18,780
that I followed that I have followed

927
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:19,980
ever since then

928
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,920
uh but to your point yeah I mean for me

929
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,260
while I've had these really profound

930
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,119
experiences with these intelligences

931
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,700
that provide me information I for

932
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:31,200
instance haven't seen the lady right

933
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,240
that's not been part of my experience

934
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:35,339
where it's been a pretty Central one of

935
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,980
Chris's so that raises some interesting

936
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,880
questions

937
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,560
um I think that

938
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:42,420
again tagging this back to what we said

939
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,720
earlier some of what we are

940
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:48,359
um interacting with when we do have this

941
00:35:51,069 --> 00:35:50,099
part of Us come online that was dormant

942
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,079
before

943
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,000
is familial lines that go back even

944
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:56,520
before this lifetime so one of the

945
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:58,020
things that that happened to me and you

946
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:59,339
hear about this in experience for

947
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:01,380
accounts right that people go from

948
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,680
sometimes experiencing ontological shock

949
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:06,000
and this wouldn't be a proper

950
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:07,200
representative liminal frames if we

951
00:36:09,650 --> 00:36:08,460
didn't say ontological shock at least

952
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,660
once

953
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,060
um exactly but but they go from that

954
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,160
initial ontological shock to sometimes

955
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,440
having the the very other end of the

956
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:18,780
spectrum where they go oh not only do I

957
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:20,339
know these beings but I knew them from

958
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,780
before I even came into this lifetime

959
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:23,700
and I have a deep affection for them

960
00:36:27,230 --> 00:36:25,500
stronger than anything else I feel here

961
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,240
almost like a near-death experience

962
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:28,560
where they say it's now hard to come

963
00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:30,300
back into my Earthly you know

964
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:34,020
manifestation so I think partly what

965
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:37,380
happens is we are reconnected with some

966
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,420
of us anyway are reconnected with these

967
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:41,520
lineages that uh go beyond this

968
00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:44,160
iteration so for me that's definitely

969
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,740
what I felt and it's it's hard to if

970
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,660
people were to say how do you know it's

971
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,820
just this deep direct knowing it's like

972
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,740
a gnosis it's not

973
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,780
I built a bunch of Concepts and got

974
00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:56,820
convinced by some arguments it's just

975
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:58,500
like this you know it through and

976
00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:00,119
through

977
00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:01,800
just like when you love your kids you

978
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:03,180
know and it's just like you don't have

979
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,859
to build up an argument to yourself

980
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,660
right it's just like it's in your skin

981
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,220
and bones and

982
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,260
some days I do Darren some days I have

983
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,900
to right

984
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:14,700
so it's like that it's like that feeling

985
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:17,460
of like wow of course these ones I know

986
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,740
these ones and I've known them from

987
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,320
before I can remember my first day on

988
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:24,000
the planet so

989
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,560
um it's something like that you know it

990
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,839
could be that um

991
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:30,180
something comes gets flipped online like

992
00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:32,220
some sort of switch gets flipped it's

993
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:34,260
maybe dormant in many many of us if not

994
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:36,839
all of us and then what you experience

995
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,240
is this broader reality that's part of

996
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,280
your history and when I say history

997
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,960
again again tricky we're getting into

998
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:45,480
time again right because when I go into

999
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,839
these alternate experiences

1000
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:50,220
that experience of that Collective

1001
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,660
Consciousness seems to be running in

1002
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,640
parallel to this one it's like I can

1003
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,920
jump back and forth between them so it's

1004
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,599
not like that happened many many eons

1005
00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,339
ago and now here I am as an earth

1006
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,980
manifestation I'm saying that they in

1007
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:03,119
some ways you can think about it as

1008
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:04,920
running in parallel and impact each

1009
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,660
other right so I'll have experiences

1010
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,480
there quote unquote there come back here

1011
00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:11,040
and it'll change how I make decisions

1012
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:13,160
here right so it's it's a fascinating

1013
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:16,260
interplay and it just shows you how how

1014
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:18,900
many variables are in play here but I

1015
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,820
think that's part of it is that we won't

1016
00:38:24,730 --> 00:38:22,500
necessarily experience the same

1017
00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:24,740
phenomena or even the same beings

1018
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:27,480
because again we have different lineages

1019
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:29,640
that's part of it

1020
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,579
I love that explanation thank you we're

1021
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,560
going to shift gears into several

1022
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,680
questions related to meditation this

1023
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,680
came up quite often so we'll start with

1024
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,500
this one I can relate to this I'm sure

1025
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:45,599
many people can this question is I have

1026
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,099
trouble with meditation

1027
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,400
but I get liminal State Impressions with

1028
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:53,579
some sense of owneric versus other an

1029
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:55,880
occasional very unstatistical

1030
00:39:02,089 --> 00:38:59,579
synchronicity how can I amplify the

1031
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,370
well

1032
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:06,720
I would say a couple things there I the

1033
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:08,280
first thing I want to say not to be

1034
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:09,900
annoying to people but I really want to

1035
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,339
say don't give up too quickly on

1036
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,280
meditation because

1037
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,560
um it's so been so Central to my

1038
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:18,000
experience but to so many people's

1039
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:21,020
experience over you know over history

1040
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:24,780
and again even going back to the

1041
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,079
beginning of C5 right and even the Rama

1042
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,300
movement in South America

1043
00:39:36,849 --> 00:39:32,579
meditation was a big part of that even

1044
00:39:39,170 --> 00:39:36,859
prime experiencers often are uncannily

1045
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:39,180
encouraged to learn meditation

1046
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,339
techniques when they're adolescents

1047
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,400
right which is almost like a

1048
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,380
a calling card from these other

1049
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,900
intelligences saying this is a modality

1050
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:51,599
by which we can communicate with you so

1051
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:53,400
I wouldn't want people to to quickly

1052
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,780
dismiss it or look for another

1053
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:57,180
alternative because we have all sorts of

1054
00:40:01,970 --> 00:39:59,339
evidence

1055
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,980
um not just from people via meditation

1056
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:04,079
getting in contact with ascended masters

1057
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:05,579
and spiritual traditions and that kind

1058
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,760
of thing or you know Saints right from

1059
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,339
from history but also these non-human

1060
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:12,960
intelligences as well

1061
00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:15,540
um and not just that but but it it opens

1062
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,119
you up to and makes part of your real

1063
00:40:23,150 --> 00:40:20,640
lived embodied experience an experience

1064
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,160
of non-duality like you'll hear me talk

1065
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,960
about non-duality so much because it's

1066
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,940
so sensual to understanding this to this

1067
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:29,280
cosmology so

1068
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,260
um that's one thing meditation really

1069
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:33,780
does for you is that it

1070
00:40:37,849 --> 00:40:35,700
if you go deep enough

1071
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:37,859
you end up experiencing reality that way

1072
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:40,380
you have a non-dual realization and it

1073
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:41,900
changes everything

1074
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:45,240
in a really practical way it makes life

1075
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,560
much less worrisome because you realize

1076
00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,200
this is to some degree an illusory kind

1077
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:54,780
of experience and that anything really

1078
00:40:59,390 --> 00:40:56,820
real at that non-dual everything's

1079
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,400
connected can never die because it never

1080
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,140
came into existence and never goes out

1081
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,660
of existence and so it makes you sort of

1082
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:06,000
relax into it and go wow I might as well

1083
00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:08,339
just enjoy these simulation rides these

1084
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:10,980
different illusory manifestations that

1085
00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:12,839
are part of the lessons I learned

1086
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,140
because there's nothing I can lose all I

1087
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:18,359
have is here is to gain and I can only

1088
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:20,820
lose in the short term if I get caught

1089
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,940
up in the illusory nature of it and

1090
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:25,920
believe it start believing the hype

1091
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:27,300
rather than realizing what it is and

1092
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:28,980
what it's there for

1093
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,560
so first first thing I want to say

1094
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,060
the other thing I would say in terms of

1095
00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:35,040
what else someone could do it's really

1096
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,359
about

1097
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:38,880
trying to take our default mode offline

1098
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:41,099
right so and when I say default mode I

1099
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:42,000
mean

1100
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:43,859
in the modern world in western

1101
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,440
civilization we are constantly thinking

1102
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,000
we have What's called the monkey mind

1103
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,520
constantly going even when it serves

1104
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,619
real no real purpose you know we can be

1105
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:54,300
lying in our beds at night

1106
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,220
wanting to fall asleep and yet we're

1107
00:41:59,450 --> 00:41:57,660
worrying about something that's come up

1108
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:59,460
you know somebody didn't respond well to

1109
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:00,660
something we did and we wonder what

1110
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,980
could I have done different or a word

1111
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,599
about some meeting we're going to have

1112
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:05,760
two days in the future or we're worried

1113
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,900
about something that might might or

1114
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,180
might not happen like 10 years into the

1115
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:11,520
future right we have we have this

1116
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:14,339
capacity we developed evolutionarily but

1117
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,540
now it's gotten to the point where it's

1118
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:17,400
like a train running out of control and

1119
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,820
we can't stop it right and again I would

1120
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:23,280
encourage it with meditation it's the

1121
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:26,760
the best way I know how to actually

1122
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,579
take that default mode offline and then

1123
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,380
you suddenly experience so much more of

1124
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:33,660
reality so much of this is about getting

1125
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,960
out of our own way this inheritance this

1126
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,359
broader reality is there already it's

1127
00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:41,460
all around you and it's all within you

1128
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:43,980
right the universe is within you in a

1129
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:46,020
very literal way

1130
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:49,800
and it's really about

1131
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,680
all these stuff that's blocking our line

1132
00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:54,359
of vision because it's part of the

1133
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,820
monkey mind it's not like things aren't

1134
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:58,200
there they're there they're just getting

1135
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,940
blocked your awareness of them is being

1136
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:02,280
blocked by these other things so that's

1137
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:04,680
where

1138
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,740
signal boost gets tricky right because

1139
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:09,900
it's not just about signal boost it's

1140
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,660
about first getting the garbage out of

1141
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:14,160
the way and I'm not trying to belittle

1142
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,540
our lives like sometimes we have real

1143
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,579
concerns we need to think about

1144
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,160
but oftentimes I think everyone here

1145
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:21,960
will relate to this there's times where

1146
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:23,460
we worry about things or think about

1147
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:25,260
things we wish we had done differently

1148
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,780
10 years ago or you know we're thinking

1149
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:28,800
what the future what's going to happen

1150
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:30,240
when this happens and and many many

1151
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:32,460
times the things we worry about never

1152
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:34,260
even end up manifesting right and so all

1153
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,640
of that was sort of like wasted

1154
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:37,380
experience

1155
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:39,900
so

1156
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,440
boost as it's about getting out of our

1157
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,540
own way so then we can then drop into

1158
00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:47,819
this larger reality which is very subtle

1159
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,099
right and so you need to have a clean

1160
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:53,640
space I mean experientially right you

1161
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:55,079
need to have a clean space so that you

1162
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,480
can then tune into these really subtle

1163
00:44:00,770 --> 00:44:00,000
differences of what's there right

1164
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,780
um

1165
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:02,640
but that said if you were going to try

1166
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,400
some things uh you know lucid dreaming

1167
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:08,400
is a great technique you can use I've

1168
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,680
talked before on social media about I

1169
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:12,359
use this supplement called galantamine

1170
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,339
and

1171
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:16,319
what I do there is I kind of do a

1172
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,880
combination of a bit of meditation but

1173
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,260
uh someone can probably do it without

1174
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,060
meditation but what I basically do is

1175
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,280
wake up at 4am

1176
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,160
set an intention try to resolve any kind

1177
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:27,900
of negative energy I'm I tune into

1178
00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:29,579
because if I don't resolve that energy

1179
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,740
it's likely to manifest in a dream

1180
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,839
I want to get you know transmute that

1181
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,000
negative energy be positive going in

1182
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:37,980
have an intention for what I want to

1183
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,440
learn you can even like you know posit a

1184
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:42,000
question to the universe or to your

1185
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,859
guides or whatever you whatever way you

1186
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:45,420
want to communicate with this broader

1187
00:44:49,849 --> 00:44:47,220
reality

1188
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,859
um and then you go in and go back to

1189
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:51,599
sleep after I take two of these tablets

1190
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,880
right of these galantamine tablets and

1191
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,200
then you'll have really really vivid

1192
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,839
dreams and you'll have messages coming

1193
00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:00,000
up from your subconscious but I want to

1194
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,220
make the point here that subconscious

1195
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:04,440
doesn't just mean

1196
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,599
um you know the part of you in this

1197
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:08,700
finite body mind that you're not usually

1198
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:11,880
in contact with I mean in the jungian

1199
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:14,700
sense like the collective unconscious I

1200
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,400
use this analogy I think in the podcast

1201
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:19,680
um where we're like these Mountain Top

1202
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:22,619
Peaks right we we experience life as as

1203
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:25,440
Mount Everest right we have the illusory

1204
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:27,300
nature that or an illusory sense that

1205
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:28,619
that's all we are is Mount Everest

1206
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,960
sticking up above the clouds right but

1207
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,119
actually Mount Everest and the Bedrock

1208
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,560
joins with the rest of the Alps right

1209
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,720
and then below that joins with like the

1210
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,839
continental plates right so all of us

1211
00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,880
are like those continental plates right

1212
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:43,859
so but beneath this what we see on the

1213
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,140
top layer there's this connected you

1214
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:48,480
know know Consciousness Bedrock which

1215
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,339
goes beyond just Humanity it connects to

1216
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:52,079
everything absolutely goes back to

1217
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,640
everything to that Oneness again we're

1218
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:56,700
back at non-duality again and the more

1219
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:58,920
you open yourself to that the more you

1220
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:00,839
can begin to receive messages from there

1221
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:03,060
and that includes other beings because

1222
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:04,560
again it's all connected right it's all

1223
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:07,020
part of the Oneness so all of that opens

1224
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:08,940
up you get messages from your higher

1225
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,460
self from your Deeper Self from a sense

1226
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:14,700
of a selfhood that is a collection of

1227
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:17,160
conscious agents and then you know even

1228
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,780
beyond that other beings that you're

1229
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,280
connected to

1230
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,260
um so that's that's another one I would

1231
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,880
also say you know

1232
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,500
um for those people who want to roll

1233
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,359
this direction psychedelics are another

1234
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:29,700
way that you can really uh take the

1235
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:32,520
default mode offline and then have

1236
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:34,440
experiences of broader reality that's

1237
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,260
that's been shown to be the case that uh

1238
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,900
whereas again reduction reductionistic

1239
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:41,220
materialism would had you have you

1240
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,020
believe that

1241
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:45,119
um if really Consciousness is in the

1242
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:46,079
brain

1243
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:49,140
are having these mind-blowing

1244
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,960
experiences on psychedelics we should

1245
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:53,520
see the brain lighting upright the gray

1246
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:54,780
matter of the brain should be lighting

1247
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:56,339
up and yet that's not what we see the

1248
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,960
brain looks remarkably dormant and yet

1249
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:59,280
people are having the most mind-blowing

1250
00:47:02,089 --> 00:47:01,020
experiences Vivid experiences of their

1251
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,099
lifetime

1252
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,440
and it's because I think it's the exact

1253
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:07,680
opposite that we drop out of the default

1254
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,720
mode the usual monkey mind has gone

1255
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,240
offline and on these psychedelic

1256
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,920
Journeys we are actually and same thing

1257
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,420
happens in shamanic kind of cultures

1258
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,240
right with Ayahuasca and things where

1259
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,460
you're actually then again dropping into

1260
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:23,520
the the larger reality that is beneath

1261
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:25,319
all of the sort of like surface layer

1262
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,560
that we usually dwell in so some of

1263
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:31,260
those those techniques also help you

1264
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,819
um experience some of the broader

1265
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,319
reality but again I just want to

1266
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:37,680
reiterate that it's more about what you

1267
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,480
can get out of the way to see what's

1268
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:41,700
already there beneath that rather than

1269
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,060
trying to go somewhere else it's already

1270
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,280
there everything's within you it's about

1271
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,150
it's great and I'll insert all medical

1272
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:55,680
caveat Supply in those statements as

1273
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,859
well so yes yes make your own decisions

1274
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,720
we're not lobbying for anything you know

1275
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,400
little frames isn't culpable for what

1276
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,200
you're doing with your body

1277
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,780
um so a follow-up question to that uh do

1278
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,180
you do you meditate daily and if so how

1279
00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:13,490
yes what's your what's your practice

1280
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:16,619
there okay I do do it daily and again

1281
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,800
I'm I'm thankful that I am in a season

1282
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,380
of life where you know my kids are grown

1283
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:24,660
and I know that when people have younger

1284
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,300
kids it can be like a full-time job uh

1285
00:48:32,329 --> 00:48:29,280
just trying to balance all that people

1286
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,339
have a hard time finding time I'm you

1287
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,079
know blessed in the sense that I have

1288
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:36,240
time to do that so I I usually meditate

1289
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,800
a couple hours a day

1290
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:40,800
uh usually like an hour and a half

1291
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,619
uh in in the evening before I go to

1292
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:45,119
sleep

1293
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:46,560
um and then usually like half an hour in

1294
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,819
the morning when I first wake up just

1295
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,319
sort of set the intention for the day

1296
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:51,119
and the right kind of resonance for the

1297
00:48:53,150 --> 00:48:52,440
day

1298
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:53,160
um

1299
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:55,560
and one thing I really want to

1300
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:58,140
impress upon people is that I kind of

1301
00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:59,339
already hinted at this but I really want

1302
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:01,800
to say that

1303
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:04,020
it's not just about because I've had

1304
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,160
experiences with these other

1305
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,680
intelligences through meditation but you

1306
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:09,480
can qualitatively make your life so much

1307
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,500
better

1308
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,240
regardless of what other intelligences

1309
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,220
you you reach because what meditation

1310
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:16,380
helps you do is drop out of that monkey

1311
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,800
mind and the irony is that monkey mind

1312
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:22,079
is running so non-stop that we don't

1313
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,880
even notice it anymore it's become the

1314
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:25,200
pair of glasses we're wearing that we

1315
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,700
don't even see

1316
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,260
and when you finally have an experience

1317
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,540
with that monkey mind stopping and

1318
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:32,700
suddenly your brain running off into the

1319
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:34,020
future in the past and worrying about

1320
00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:35,579
this and thinking about that I'm

1321
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,560
regretting this you know

1322
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:39,180
um and suddenly you just are in the

1323
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:41,460
moment right this is uh what Eckhart

1324
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,140
totally called The Power of Now right

1325
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:45,960
like you you're in the moment here and

1326
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:49,020
now and Buddhists talk about this right

1327
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:50,460
you're in this moment where suddenly

1328
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:53,339
Everything feels perfect because you

1329
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:55,800
tune into that Collective Consciousness

1330
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,859
That non-dual Base reality where

1331
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:00,720
everything

1332
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,960
is perfect it's just that Oneness that

1333
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:06,180
that can't go wrong because it's this

1334
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:08,819
absolute core behind everything and you

1335
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:11,579
can rest in that and you feel

1336
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,859
so much vital energy coming to you when

1337
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,319
you do that because you suddenly are not

1338
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,260
this creature Bound by linear time right

1339
00:50:23,450 --> 00:50:21,660
and that's the first step in sometimes

1340
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,460
beginning to be able to have these

1341
00:50:26,930 --> 00:50:25,500
alternate State experiences because

1342
00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:26,940
you're actually

1343
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,500
in the same way that when you make

1344
00:50:34,250 --> 00:50:30,599
repeated decisions and have habits right

1345
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,260
that actually will form uh kind of uh

1346
00:50:37,970 --> 00:50:35,940
you know canals in your brain they

1347
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,980
actually can see if you have a repeated

1348
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:39,119
pattern you've done over and over and

1349
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:41,220
over again then you can actually see it

1350
00:50:44,089 --> 00:50:42,839
in someone's brain imprints eventually

1351
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,099
right

1352
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,599
um which kind of synaptic connections

1353
00:50:50,089 --> 00:50:48,180
fire in their brain right but by the

1354
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:50,099
same token when they look at the brain

1355
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:52,260
of long-term meditators they see a

1356
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:55,020
qualitative difference you know and a

1357
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:56,339
quantitative difference in the brain

1358
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,140
scans of these people

1359
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,420
and I think there's a even a podcast

1360
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,359
called something like you know 10 or

1361
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,800
something like that something to that

1362
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,180
effect where basically is talking about

1363
00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:09,240
that that regardless of who you are if

1364
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,819
you can bring meditation into your daily

1365
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:14,220
practice it'll make your life 10 better

1366
00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:16,020
it's almost like this like guaranteed

1367
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,300
you know like promissory note that comes

1368
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,440
with it

1369
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:20,880
um and so again I would just encourage

1370
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,640
people even if you run into difficulties

1371
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:25,380
if it feels like you just have an active

1372
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:27,180
brain you can't do it I would just say

1373
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,740
keep at it

1374
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,480
um

1375
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:33,119
maybe join a meditation group you know

1376
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:35,099
or a Buddhist Sangha or something where

1377
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,599
you can actually have other people help

1378
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:38,099
you because sometimes you pick up in the

1379
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:40,500
coherent field and it helps you entrain

1380
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:42,119
your brain

1381
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:45,180
um but uh there's so many benefits that

1382
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,980
come from it Beyond being able to

1383
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,720
connect to other other forms of

1384
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:50,579
consciousness

1385
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,619
well and that's uh related to the last

1386
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,079
request we had here on meditation and

1387
00:51:59,630 --> 00:51:57,480
and I would say before I propose this

1388
00:52:02,270 --> 00:51:59,640
that meditation is

1389
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:02,280
you know a way that we can

1390
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:04,619
have an embodied of exp embodied

1391
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:08,040
experience of the non-dual uh you know

1392
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:10,440
we could tap into that non-dual

1393
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,400
reality uh this question

1394
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:17,040
is asking how can what tips could you

1395
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,079
provide in order to connect to the

1396
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:21,359
higher intelligences and I guess before

1397
00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:23,460
you address that

1398
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:25,260
you know my thought on on reading that

1399
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,460
question is

1400
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:29,160
the it relates to intention you know and

1401
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,500
relates to this uh

1402
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,839
what is it that you are seeking when

1403
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:35,460
you're asking that kind of question what

1404
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,900
is it that you want uh because and I you

1405
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:42,000
know could be reading it into this in a

1406
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,619
totally different direction than how it

1407
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,380
was intended but I think oftentimes in

1408
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,960
in the circles that we traffic there's a

1409
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:50,880
lot of desire to

1410
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:54,839
uh to to know and to connect with uh

1411
00:52:59,870 --> 00:52:57,420
these beings and and attach to whatever

1412
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,880
it is that they know so that we can have

1413
00:53:05,809 --> 00:53:02,760
knowledge greater Insight power whatever

1414
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,819
it is and and that's I don't get the

1415
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,380
sense from you that that's kind of the

1416
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:09,359
the right intention to have the right

1417
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,480
reason for connection and and also that

1418
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,480
in the sense that we we

1419
00:53:20,809 --> 00:53:17,640
probably need to start thinking of these

1420
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:20,819
other intelligences as distinctly other

1421
00:53:25,370 --> 00:53:23,700
than right so there is at this base

1422
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,380
level that we've been talking about here

1423
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,140
we're fundamentally connected we are we

1424
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:30,420
are the basically the same there are

1425
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,380
aspects of us that we aren't uh normally

1426
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,020
aware of but they are a part of us and

1427
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:40,559
we can tap into what what they know and

1428
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:42,839
and and their experience of of that

1429
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:46,079
deeper conscious field but it's not I

1430
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:47,940
just want to meditate so I can get some

1431
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:50,220
sort of nugget of whatever it is from

1432
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:52,440
this entity from this alternate

1433
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,180
Dimension I don't know what would you

1434
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,520
say about that yeah that's that's right

1435
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,319
on and I would say that you know just to

1436
00:54:02,809 --> 00:53:59,760
make this clear to people I mean I've

1437
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:02,819
been meditating for about 15 years so uh

1438
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,980
I went a long time before there was any

1439
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,359
kind of connection with some sort of

1440
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,760
alternate intelligence

1441
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,220
um and for a long time the reward was

1442
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:13,619
that experience of The Power of Now that

1443
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:15,000
experience of

1444
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:18,180
really experientially and somatically

1445
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:20,280
not just my mind but throughout my body

1446
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:22,020
right it's a fully embodied experience

1447
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:24,980
of non-duality of when you can

1448
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,240
experience that it's incredibly peaceful

1449
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:30,000
because you uh not only do you feel the

1450
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:32,460
piece in real time but you know again

1451
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,900
it's that direct knowing it's not a

1452
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,520
conceptual knowing it's a direct knowing

1453
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:37,920
that this is something you cannot lose

1454
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,339
right and so you rest in it in a way

1455
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,200
that you can't rest with anything else

1456
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:45,540
in this lifetime which again Buddhism

1457
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:47,220
will teach you is transitory and things

1458
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,740
are constantly changing right but when

1459
00:54:54,349 --> 00:54:51,660
you tap into that non-dual Source you

1460
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,359
recognize that this is this is base

1461
00:54:58,450 --> 00:54:56,700
reality right and this is true and this

1462
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:58,460
is something you cannot lose

1463
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:00,300
indestructible because it was never

1464
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:03,420
created it's just is right

1465
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:04,500
um

1466
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:08,099
so yeah I think uh

1467
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:10,200
I would encourage people that regardless

1468
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,900
of where you start

1469
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,760
um you know there's various things you

1470
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,319
can do that all point in the right

1471
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,440
direction that will produce different

1472
00:55:24,589 --> 00:55:22,500
fruit of which one of them may be that

1473
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,599
you contact other entities but as I've

1474
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,160
said that's complex because part of it

1475
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:28,980
comes down to our different uh you know

1476
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:31,140
constituent background right in terms of

1477
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:33,660
who we really are and and what's already

1478
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:35,460
part of our makeup and it's about really

1479
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:38,940
being unlocking doors to other parts of

1480
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:41,700
ourselves basically so absolutely you're

1481
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:43,140
right that it's not about this clear

1482
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,819
distinction between them versus me

1483
00:55:49,069 --> 00:55:47,160
sometimes that's just not the case and

1484
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,079
in the most real sense it can't be the

1485
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:51,540
case right because of this non-dual base

1486
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:56,099
reality so again if you meditate if you

1487
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,380
focus on your own energy right if you

1488
00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:00,660
focus on uh

1489
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,280
if your goal for instance is to

1490
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,599
eventually commune with positive

1491
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,640
entities the first thing you can begin

1492
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:08,160
doing uh is is being aware of your own

1493
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,260
energy right being aware of because in

1494
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,480
these subtle Realms this reflexive

1495
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:14,520
nature right where we

1496
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:16,140
kind of don't realize that what we're

1497
00:56:19,549 --> 00:56:17,579
doing is

1498
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,559
um dialing certain numbers right when we

1499
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:21,599
reach out and often if we're not

1500
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:23,640
conscious of it what's actually going on

1501
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:26,579
beneath the scenes is that our energy is

1502
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:28,740
manifesting and dialing a certain number

1503
00:56:34,329 --> 00:56:31,140
like attracts like that kind of thing

1504
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,339
right so you uh if you actually are

1505
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,780
unconsciously manifesting also to the

1506
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,819
negative energy you know beware of what

1507
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:40,319
might pick up on the other end and again

1508
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,180
but I also want to say you don't have to

1509
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:45,000
walk around nervous about that because

1510
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:47,460
the key is to begin to focus on bringing

1511
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:50,940
more into your self-awareness uh your

1512
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:54,960
own energy and and begin to notice when

1513
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:57,000
you're you have this residue of

1514
00:57:02,030 --> 00:56:58,980
negativity you know sort of buzzing

1515
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:02,040
around you and work on transmuting that

1516
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,680
right it's not about suppressing it that

1517
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,300
never works that just creates more

1518
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,579
Shadow and it'll come up in strange ways

1519
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:10,920
often coming it could come in the ways

1520
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:12,839
of contacting beings you don't mean to

1521
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:15,660
so you really want to bring it into your

1522
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:17,640
metacognition so that you actually are

1523
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,559
aware of it being part of who you are

1524
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:21,540
right now that energy and then you work

1525
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,339
on transmuting it which basically means

1526
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,680
working with it not being afraid of it

1527
00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:28,200
not trying to suppress it uh but you

1528
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:30,119
work with it and just bring it into your

1529
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:31,800
awareness right away will change it

1530
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,440
right away and then as you work with it

1531
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:36,540
you can actually transmute it into a

1532
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,660
neutral or a positive energy uh so again

1533
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,040
that will make your life feel better

1534
00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:43,440
experientially people will notice that

1535
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:45,900
you seem like a more peaceful person and

1536
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:47,819
as a byproduct it'll make it much more

1537
00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:49,619
likely that you will have contact with

1538
00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:51,480
positive entities so it kind of all

1539
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:53,400
works together and I would say that you

1540
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,619
know regardless of which modality you

1541
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:57,180
work on first

1542
00:58:02,030 --> 00:57:59,160
try to keep the whole picture in mind

1543
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:02,040
about who you are your own energetic

1544
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:03,480
Constitution and and what the

1545
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,579
implications are that are of that in

1546
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,920
terms of reaching out to others

1547
00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:09,240
and those others might be the people

1548
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,400
around you your direct family your

1549
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:13,680
co-workers and these beings you meet

1550
00:58:19,609 --> 00:58:17,760
sort of beyond beyond this realm well

1551
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,619
it's a great segue into the next section

1552
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,440
of questions that really does relate to

1553
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:24,420
the others and in fact the first

1554
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:26,760
question was about you know what

1555
00:58:30,530 --> 00:58:28,380
techniques to use to protect yourself

1556
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,540
from negative entities but I before you

1557
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:32,400
jump into that you or take take that a

1558
00:58:35,809 --> 00:58:33,300
little bit further because you did

1559
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:35,819
already address some of that uh I was

1560
00:58:41,089 --> 00:58:38,520
reminded of something that we talked

1561
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:41,099
about a couple of weeks ago and that's

1562
00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:42,900
that even though there are other

1563
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:45,299
intelligences that that they themselves

1564
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:48,420
may have you know greater Mastery over

1565
00:58:53,150 --> 00:58:51,480
uh you know the the reality that you and

1566
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,160
I experience in terms of Mind Over

1567
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,440
Matter or even a technology

1568
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,020
technological superiority to what we

1569
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:00,240
have as technology uh doesn't

1570
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:02,940
necessarily mean that they have a a sort

1571
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,160
of a greater level of conscious

1572
00:59:12,410 --> 00:59:08,640
development and they just like human

1573
00:59:16,430 --> 00:59:12,420
beings can be can be attracted to uh

1574
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,440
negative energies and can it can be

1575
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,119
drawn to those energies and want to

1576
00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:20,940
participate in those energy sort of

1577
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,640
streams if you will uh you know I can

1578
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,680
think of plenty of examples in social

1579
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,799
media where uh it's essentially like a

1580
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:31,440
dog pile where uh when someone is

1581
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,380
expressing a strong negative emotion or

1582
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:36,480
a rage or whatever that gets the most

1583
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:39,900
level of Engagement uh so it's it's like

1584
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:42,599
moss to a flame there and that and it's

1585
00:59:48,349 --> 00:59:44,760
very much the case that in in these

1586
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,359
other modalities there are entities that

1587
00:59:53,770 --> 00:59:51,000
are can can behave in much the same way

1588
00:59:57,049 --> 00:59:53,780
they can be attracted to that negative

1589
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:57,059
expression the negative energy the fear

1590
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:01,020
uh the anger and and and they can be

1591
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,660
excited by that and so I don't know can

1592
01:00:06,829 --> 01:00:04,799
you speak to that a little bit more

1593
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:06,839
because I think some folks at least

1594
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:08,220
though there are those who've had

1595
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:10,200
experiences with negative entities and

1596
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:11,160
then there are those who haven't had

1597
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:12,900
experiences at all but may be wary of

1598
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:15,059
entering into some of these modalities

1599
01:00:19,069 --> 01:00:17,400
for fear of running into these net

1600
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,079
negative intelligences

1601
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,960
right yeah I mean um I think this is

1602
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:23,819
part of the

1603
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,980
the complexity of disclosure right that

1604
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,599
we've talked about before because it's

1605
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,240
not just about what other intelligences

1606
01:00:36,049 --> 01:00:33,839
are in our midst but it's about how do

1607
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:36,059
the interactions between them and us

1608
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,720
take place right uh what are the moving

1609
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:41,579
Parts there right and a big part of it

1610
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,000
is is our own energetic uh Constitution

1611
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,760
for each of us and also entire you know

1612
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,619
culture groups speaking of conscious

1613
01:00:52,670 --> 01:00:50,940
agents kind of adding up to larger

1614
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,680
conscious agents

1615
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,140
um and of course we're not taught about

1616
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:57,119
this in school right if I were to ask

1617
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,740
you which grade was the last time you

1618
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,900
took a course in you know spiritual

1619
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:02,760
hygiene you would say I'm nah don't

1620
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:05,760
remember that one right uh so or if

1621
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:07,859
people think about these other beings

1622
01:01:12,770 --> 01:01:10,140
they they reduce it to Angels and Demons

1623
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:12,780
right and so to say to them that there's

1624
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:14,940
this infinite complexity of different

1625
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:16,920
kinds of beings and and thinking of

1626
01:01:20,210 --> 01:01:18,660
polarities of good versus evil is not

1627
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:20,220
that helpful what's more helpful is to

1628
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,380
think about a spiral of developing

1629
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:23,760
consciousness

1630
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,579
and in the same way you know you can

1631
01:01:32,750 --> 01:01:28,079
have a

1632
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,760
some sort of spiritual teacher who may

1633
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:34,740
have might have made penetrating insight

1634
01:01:39,770 --> 01:01:37,920
into uh the depth of reality right and

1635
01:01:41,329 --> 01:01:39,780
Alternate Realms but might still kind of

1636
01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:41,339
Be a Jerk right they may just

1637
01:01:45,849 --> 01:01:43,380
interpersonally be very very

1638
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,859
underdeveloped so it's it's and people

1639
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:48,000
frequently fall for this right so you

1640
01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:49,500
hear about these scandals that happen in

1641
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:50,940
these different spiritual movements or

1642
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:52,680
these different cult groups because

1643
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,420
people think well if this person has

1644
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:56,880
this legitimate spiritual Insight they

1645
01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:59,640
must be a good person right and often

1646
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:01,559
sometimes they're not because in the

1647
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,760
same way that if you're born with a

1648
01:02:06,349 --> 01:02:04,079
silver spoon and you never had to fight

1649
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:06,359
for anything often you're underdeveloped

1650
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:07,980
in various ways because you never had

1651
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:10,380
that resistance training in the same way

1652
01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:12,359
if someone if people flock around

1653
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:13,619
someone because of their spiritual

1654
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:16,440
Insight they often will have an in other

1655
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,119
ego issues that are never addressed

1656
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:20,640
because they're just surrounded by yes

1657
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:22,140
people who just want to you know hear

1658
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:28,309
yeah all of all of this really matters

1659
01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:29,700
and it and

1660
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:32,099
um when it comes to you know reaching

1661
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,900
out to entities and how can you protect

1662
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:36,240
yourself uh I think I already mentioned

1663
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:37,799
there's this concept called spiritual

1664
01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:39,900
hygiene which is basically about the

1665
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:42,180
same way that you know the the analogy

1666
01:02:45,170 --> 01:02:43,799
of you wake up and you brush your teeth

1667
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:45,180
and you wash your hair and the certain

1668
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:47,579
things you do to take care of the Temple

1669
01:02:51,230 --> 01:02:49,260
of your physical body

1670
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:51,240
there's also things that you need to you

1671
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,859
know on a regular basis be doing

1672
01:02:58,190 --> 01:02:55,200
energetically right so I already talked

1673
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:58,200
about uh through meditation and various

1674
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:00,660
techniques like that you can bring into

1675
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:02,940
your awareness the energies that are

1676
01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:05,520
sort of buzzing around you right and and

1677
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:07,319
then work with those energies right

1678
01:03:10,490 --> 01:03:09,059
rather than you know just go oh I'm

1679
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:10,500
stuck with it right you can actually

1680
01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:12,680
work with them and it begins by

1681
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,819
recognizing for instance if you have a

1682
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:16,160
negative feeling

1683
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:20,280
guilt uh regret you know shame whatever

1684
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:21,540
it is

1685
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,339
rather than going I don't want to feel

1686
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:25,200
that because it doesn't feel good I

1687
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,000
understand it doesn't feel good but the

1688
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:29,280
good news is if you are just with it if

1689
01:03:32,450 --> 01:03:30,900
you're present with it you immediately

1690
01:03:34,849 --> 01:03:32,460
begin to change because it's like a

1691
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:34,859
wavelength and so that's all it is right

1692
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,380
like we we break it down into consent

1693
01:03:41,329 --> 01:03:39,660
into Concepts right and so we go listen

1694
01:03:43,370 --> 01:03:41,339
shame's never good so why would I want

1695
01:03:45,049 --> 01:03:43,380
to be with that right but you can

1696
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:45,059
actually transmute shame into something

1697
01:03:49,569 --> 01:03:46,680
else right

1698
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,579
um and so you first have to bring that

1699
01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,780
emotion right which is basically an

1700
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:53,579
expression of an energy into your

1701
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,619
awareness and then you work with it you

1702
01:03:59,630 --> 01:03:57,660
begin to change it right you remind

1703
01:04:01,789 --> 01:03:59,640
yourself of things like I'm part of the

1704
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,799
non-dual source I've I've learned this

1705
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:03,420
lesson here

1706
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,660
um but again just just coming at it with

1707
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,119
or being with it is a better way to put

1708
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:12,000
it with conscious energy that's a

1709
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,859
forgiving energy that's Connected To

1710
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:15,839
Source you begin to immediately change

1711
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:19,200
it and that's partly why

1712
01:04:23,030 --> 01:04:21,119
some of these entities that are negative

1713
01:04:26,510 --> 01:04:23,040
are kind of like these these sort of

1714
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:26,520
viruses you know on the astral plane but

1715
01:04:30,589 --> 01:04:27,960
a lot of people are immune to them

1716
01:04:32,809 --> 01:04:30,599
because they don't dwell in large

1717
01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:32,819
amounts of Shame right and fear and

1718
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,819
regret and so if you are already working

1719
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:37,980
at such a level that you don't hold on

1720
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,140
to those kind of things those entities

1721
01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:42,540
really can't have at you you kind of

1722
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,099
have an immunity to it I call it

1723
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:47,280
energetic immunity so this is what it

1724
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,780
you know comes down to this is kind of

1725
01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:50,640
the work we do is is to bring into our

1726
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,980
awareness what's going on with us and

1727
01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:54,480
then working with those energies being

1728
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,740
with them even if they don't feel good

1729
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:57,839
at first and they will change you really

1730
01:05:02,030 --> 01:04:59,579
can change them just by being with them

1731
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:02,040
and maybe it means like seeking out a

1732
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:04,020
teacher that can help you work through

1733
01:05:07,490 --> 01:05:05,640
that if it feels too overwhelming at

1734
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,500
first some people understandably have

1735
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:08,880
been through some hard things that they

1736
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:11,280
just repressed because that's the body

1737
01:05:15,609 --> 01:05:13,319
mind's way of actually trying to keep

1738
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:15,619
you safe and keep you alive is that we

1739
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:19,140
block out or compartmentalize these you

1740
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:20,579
know traumatic things that happen

1741
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:22,619
including for instance having experience

1742
01:05:25,849 --> 01:05:24,900
with gray aliens right or it could be

1743
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:25,859
something that happened when we were a

1744
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:27,900
kid that was traumatic and so our body

1745
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,359
Minds evolutionarily our evolutionary

1746
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:32,400
response to protect us is to like

1747
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,640
blockade that right that

1748
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:37,200
um that experience but the problem is

1749
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:39,420
part of our Vital energy is now cycling

1750
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:42,180
and that one little area that's now been

1751
01:05:46,670 --> 01:05:44,460
segmented off and that's a little bit

1752
01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:46,680
less core energy you have right so you

1753
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,599
might experience that with feeling less

1754
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:50,880
Vitality day to day right

1755
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,220
and a lot of people might have had that

1756
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,960
happen you know decades ago and so they

1757
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:56,640
don't even know what it feels like to

1758
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:57,780
have a hundred percent of their energy

1759
01:06:01,970 --> 01:05:59,760
back online but by beginning to work

1760
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,980
with some of that energy uh you bring

1761
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:03,780
you you transmute that energy you pull

1762
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:05,160
it back into your core and it's working

1763
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,140
for you now rather than spiraling off

1764
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:09,420
like a like an app that's just basically

1765
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:11,099
just running in the background and using

1766
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:14,640
up memory and storage right so

1767
01:06:20,329 --> 01:06:16,559
um these are the kind of things you need

1768
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:20,339
to do you know um if you have uh some

1769
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,440
sort of outstanding conflict with

1770
01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:24,000
someone and that also is kind of like

1771
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:25,740
the spiraling spiraling energy that's

1772
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:27,240
just it's sitting out there running

1773
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:30,780
until it gets resolved now this other

1774
01:06:35,390 --> 01:06:33,480
person that maybe you need to resolve a

1775
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:35,400
situation with might not be ready to

1776
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:37,319
meet with you right but you can still do

1777
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,720
everything you can to resolve your part

1778
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,760
of the energy right and so again you're

1779
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,440
still transmitting energy so these are

1780
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,559
the kind of things that we do again not

1781
01:06:50,089 --> 01:06:48,480
just to make our daily lives better not

1782
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,099
just to bring more more vital energy

1783
01:06:54,529 --> 01:06:52,319
back into our daily experience which

1784
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,539
will feel as being a better feeling of

1785
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,920
being alive

1786
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:57,599
but it also

1787
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:00,900
um gives us protection and to some

1788
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:03,180
degree primes the experience in terms of

1789
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:04,680
who we reach out to in these other

1790
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,870
well let me get into some of the

1791
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:11,400
nitty-gritty here with your particular

1792
01:07:17,270 --> 01:07:14,280
experience with the others I've got

1793
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,280
several little questions about that uh

1794
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:19,740
first off is uh

1795
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:21,780
is your

1796
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:25,140
communication with them is it two-way or

1797
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,000
is it bi-directional or is it is it one

1798
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:29,940
way when you when you engage with them

1799
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:32,579
it's definitely bi-directional but

1800
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,920
um it's not necessarily like a

1801
01:07:38,210 --> 01:07:36,240
conversation like you and I are having

1802
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:38,220
it's not like that when I say it's

1803
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,520
bi-directional I mean that I I can

1804
01:07:45,289 --> 01:07:43,200
um

1805
01:07:48,289 --> 01:07:45,299
sort of bring up questions and they will

1806
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:48,299
get answered in various ways but not

1807
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:50,220
often in a way that's kind of linear

1808
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,260
like a back and forth conversation it

1809
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:53,760
doesn't really work that way because

1810
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:55,380
time's different usually in my

1811
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:57,660
experience of that but it's definitely

1812
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,180
uh definitely two-way yeah

1813
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:02,339
well let me ask a follow-up on that so

1814
01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:04,980
is is it that

1815
01:08:09,890 --> 01:08:06,859
you are

1816
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,900
personifying that way of knowing

1817
01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:12,000
or is it

1818
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:14,099
is it actually an entity in and of

1819
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:15,900
itself like if you understand what I'm

1820
01:08:20,269 --> 01:08:18,299
getting at there

1821
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,279
help me out a bit and what you mean so

1822
01:08:24,050 --> 01:08:22,620
you were saying that it's not like you

1823
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:24,060
and I have a having a two-way

1824
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,219
conversation you know that you might put

1825
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:27,839
it out there and then it might come back

1826
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:31,380
to you and it may return in a way that's

1827
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:32,160
um

1828
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,060
you know kind of more felt uh are you

1829
01:08:40,189 --> 01:08:38,400
personifying

1830
01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,199
how that is

1831
01:08:45,650 --> 01:08:42,420
relayed to you like it's coming from an

1832
01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:45,660
entity or is it just knowledge that is

1833
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,799
instead uh emanating from within I guess

1834
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,660
these these sort of distinctions are

1835
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:53,940
also I recognized uh you know pretty

1836
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:56,580
subjective based on our metaphysical

1837
01:09:01,610 --> 01:08:59,100
perspective here but right no I get what

1838
01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:01,620
you're getting at and I think that

1839
01:09:12,669 --> 01:09:09,410
I have this experience sometimes of

1840
01:09:17,930 --> 01:09:12,679
being a part of a tribe uh that's that's

1841
01:09:20,349 --> 01:09:17,940
uh Beyond this realm right and so

1842
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:20,359
it's like a collective Consciousness

1843
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:24,660
that has a knowing that I can I can

1844
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,580
the same way that you could query Google

1845
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,520
and you get an answer right is that

1846
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:32,640
two-way sort of right it's like uh what

1847
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:34,080
what in the kind of like the sense of

1848
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,080
the akashic records right the sense that

1849
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:39,120
every experience that's ever been had is

1850
01:09:45,530 --> 01:09:42,540
somehow recorded right in in the cosmic

1851
01:09:47,930 --> 01:09:45,540
memory and different ones of us have

1852
01:09:51,169 --> 01:09:47,940
different abilities different capacities

1853
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,179
to access that my experience in this

1854
01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:53,600
sort of um

1855
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,219
tribal experience of these others that I

1856
01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:58,620
feel connected to is that I will

1857
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,360
sometimes be able to pull information

1858
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:03,360
from there so I'm asking a question and

1859
01:10:06,350 --> 01:10:04,980
and querying a question and getting a

1860
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:06,360
response right not necessarily right

1861
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,820
away but I do get a response but it does

1862
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,280
feel like it's coming from some

1863
01:10:14,689 --> 01:10:13,199
collective intelligence of which I'm a

1864
01:10:17,689 --> 01:10:14,699
part in a different realm if that makes

1865
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:17,699
any kind of sense so that does you know

1866
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:18,900
depending again how you look at it

1867
01:10:21,370 --> 01:10:20,520
metaphysically that's kind of how it

1868
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,380
works

1869
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:23,820
well that's helpful

1870
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,000
um let's see so let me ask them about

1871
01:10:31,610 --> 01:10:29,280
your sort of perceptual

1872
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,620
experience

1873
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:33,840
because I'm getting that well I know we

1874
01:10:37,850 --> 01:10:35,460
talked about this in other instances so

1875
01:10:41,090 --> 01:10:37,860
I'm curious to hear what you'll say so

1876
01:10:43,729 --> 01:10:41,100
do you see that these others uh you know

1877
01:10:45,850 --> 01:10:43,739
or or just hear them like what is your

1878
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:45,860
what is the extent of your perceptual

1879
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,140
awareness of them

1880
01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:51,600
right and this this is tricky to answer

1881
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:53,820
because

1882
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:56,520
um whenever we try and describe an

1883
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:59,699
experience we have to use language and

1884
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,260
symbols based on other people's

1885
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,060
experience so they can kind of imagine

1886
01:11:07,250 --> 01:11:05,880
what it's like right and I think one

1887
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,260
thing I've become aware of is that

1888
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:09,480
there's times where I have an experience

1889
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:12,300
that I will give an approximation of

1890
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:13,860
what it's like but it's really not quite

1891
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:16,679
like that either like so for instance

1892
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:18,780
um let me give you a couple examples uh

1893
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,280
one happened when we were talking before

1894
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,440
we went on the air tonight so but let me

1895
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:24,540
begin with one that happened last night

1896
01:11:30,169 --> 01:11:27,719
uh was with a small group of friends

1897
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:30,179
um experiencers and we were

1898
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:33,300
and we were talking and at one point I

1899
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,699
was uh discussing how I'm kind of at

1900
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:37,920
this point where I'm making some

1901
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:41,840
decisions some life decisions right and

1902
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:44,640
I recognize that there's kind of like

1903
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:47,460
two parts of me speaking of these uh

1904
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,679
different constitutional makeups of who

1905
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,320
we are right there's times where

1906
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:54,300
as I grow in my awareness of this

1907
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:56,760
especially over the last year

1908
01:12:01,850 --> 01:11:59,100
almost like cream separating

1909
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:01,860
I can actually experientially feel

1910
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,340
different aspects of myself and

1911
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:06,719
sometimes they will be actually a little

1912
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:08,760
bit at odds with each other and so my

1913
01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:11,580
sort of conditioned Earth human self

1914
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:15,420
will be at odds with this other part of

1915
01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:17,460
my background prior to this Incarnation

1916
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:19,320
and

1917
01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:21,060
um what ended up happening when I was

1918
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:22,679
trying to describe this process of

1919
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:25,020
making a decision to these friends last

1920
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:28,980
night I overlay overlaid over top of my

1921
01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:31,800
vision was this this sense of these two

1922
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:34,500
energy Fields coming together and where

1923
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:35,940
they met there was this kind of like

1924
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:37,560
interference pattern which I was seeing

1925
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:41,040
and it was like it was overlaid on top

1926
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:42,900
of my visual field while I was looking

1927
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,340
at these friends and talking about it

1928
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:46,560
but it's not exactly like that it's not

1929
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:49,560
quite like you know when you have two

1930
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:50,760
screens and you kind of blend them

1931
01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:52,140
together when you're mixing something in

1932
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,460
Photoshop or something it's not really

1933
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,960
like that it was almost like another

1934
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:56,400
sense

1935
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:01,679
kind of visually but it wasn't

1936
01:13:05,390 --> 01:13:03,780
taking away from the usual visual field

1937
01:13:06,850 --> 01:13:05,400
it was like an additional visual field

1938
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,860
where I was seeing this energetic

1939
01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:09,120
wavelength and this interference pattern

1940
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:11,340
and then earlier on tonight when we were

1941
01:13:15,229 --> 01:13:13,380
talking you brought up this thing about

1942
01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:15,239
DNA right and you were talking about the

1943
01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:17,699
shape of DNA and and wondering what that

1944
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,560
represented in terms of sort of

1945
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,780
metaphysical patterning right and as you

1946
01:13:26,750 --> 01:13:23,520
started talking I had this lit up

1947
01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:26,760
experience of fractals suddenly like

1948
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,219
spiraling out you know infinitely kind

1949
01:13:33,890 --> 01:13:31,440
of thing which that's what my experience

1950
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,900
is like when I know something's right I

1951
01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:35,340
have that experience of like this

1952
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,840
brightness

1953
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,580
um comes into my Consciousness and I'll

1954
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,560
see a vision that like metaphorically

1955
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:42,060
conceptually

1956
01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:44,100
is an implication of what someone's

1957
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:45,900
saying and then that helps me understand

1958
01:13:50,090 --> 01:13:48,239
not only that it's right but how it's

1959
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,100
right but it comes conceptually like

1960
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,560
that right so I'm not hearing a voice

1961
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:54,719
saying yes what this means is such and

1962
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,060
such and such it's like I'm I'm seeing

1963
01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:59,880
this patterning running in real time and

1964
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:02,340
I know what the pattern means right I

1965
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,100
have immediate ability to translate what

1966
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:06,960
that pattern means

1967
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:08,719
um and in terms of what they look like

1968
01:14:13,729 --> 01:14:12,060
uh usually they're you know it's beyond

1969
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,739
form so what will actually happen is

1970
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:15,420
sometimes I'll drop into this alternate

1971
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:17,760
experience and I'll be seeing Through

1972
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,300
The Eyes of one of these beings right so

1973
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:23,760
I'm actually seeing a much broader field

1974
01:14:26,810 --> 01:14:25,500
of vision than our usual field of vision

1975
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:26,820
and this is another one of those

1976
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:28,620
experiences where

1977
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,140
you don't realize that our field of

1978
01:14:33,890 --> 01:14:32,640
vision is fairly narrow right because we

1979
01:14:36,169 --> 01:14:33,900
have nothing to compare it to but when

1980
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,179
you have this other experience of a of a

1981
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:38,760
basically a 360 degree field of vision

1982
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,679
you come back to this and you go man

1983
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,659
this is limited right and the same way

1984
01:14:45,950 --> 01:14:44,159
that people sometimes have an nde and

1985
01:14:48,110 --> 01:14:45,960
they come back and they go wow this is a

1986
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:48,120
constricted experience right it's like

1987
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,960
that

1988
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,400
um so often I'm actually seeing Through

1989
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,280
The Eyes of one of these beings rather

1990
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,199
than seeing them

1991
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,540
um so and I also you know have this very

1992
01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:59,040
strong sense that you know they're

1993
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:01,620
basically Beyond form they can take form

1994
01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:04,560
but uh at that sort of like dimensional

1995
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:06,659
level of existence it's kind of post

1996
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:09,540
space-time uh it sort of it's transition

1997
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,880
beyond space time and so they don't need

1998
01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:13,739
a form so if they do it it's usually for

1999
01:15:21,169 --> 01:15:18,110
well that's excellent

2000
01:15:24,050 --> 01:15:21,179
um well I know we've got a few minutes

2001
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:24,060
left here so I'm going to transition to

2002
01:15:28,130 --> 01:15:26,219
a couple of uh sort of personal

2003
01:15:29,390 --> 01:15:28,140
questions uh these are these are these

2004
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:29,400
are mine

2005
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,620
um and in getting into areas that we

2006
01:15:34,610 --> 01:15:33,120
really haven't touched on but I wanted

2007
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:34,620
you to

2008
01:15:38,330 --> 01:15:37,080
respond to so

2009
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,340
um

2010
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:40,800
I guess you know a lot has happened in

2011
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:43,560
your experience over the last uh year

2012
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:46,020
several months uh and and I've certainly

2013
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:49,140
been witness to that transformation and

2014
01:15:53,890 --> 01:15:51,060
it's been really interesting and and I

2015
01:15:56,990 --> 01:15:53,900
feel honored to kind of be uh

2016
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:57,000
alongside you on that Journey

2017
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:59,159
but how do you

2018
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:01,140
I wonder how you kind of contextualize

2019
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:03,420
the experience that you're having

2020
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,820
in light of

2021
01:16:11,770 --> 01:16:08,640
all that you've read in the literature

2022
01:16:14,330 --> 01:16:11,780
about you know other individuals

2023
01:16:17,689 --> 01:16:14,340
throughout you know euphological history

2024
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:17,699
and and paranormal history who've who've

2025
01:16:23,209 --> 01:16:19,380
gone through similar kinds of

2026
01:16:25,729 --> 01:16:23,219
experiences and have have raised you

2027
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:25,739
know similar uh

2028
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,020
other conclusions or or insights or or

2029
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:33,480
even warnings you know how do you kind

2030
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:36,780
of position yourself in relationship to

2031
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:40,320
those other individuals and and groups

2032
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:47,330
well I think one thing I would say is

2033
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:48,600
that um

2034
01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:52,980
I remember uh this one

2035
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,140
general manager of the Sacramento Kings

2036
01:16:59,390 --> 01:16:57,360
of who I'm a fan of and I used to live

2037
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,400
in Northern California and was a Kings

2038
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:02,640
fan which means I suffer many many years

2039
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:05,940
um but uh one of the things the GM said

2040
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,400
when someone asked him about Player

2041
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:10,739
Development right he said at some point

2042
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,360
you can't separate the player from the

2043
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:13,679
man

2044
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:16,140
and what he meant was you you can have

2045
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,780
certain raw talent but you know who you

2046
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:20,880
are your character things like that are

2047
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,460
going to really impact you know how you

2048
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,679
manifest your potential

2049
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,600
and the way that I would apply that to

2050
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,239
experiencers is uh and I really want to

2051
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:32,580
highlight this point because in the same

2052
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:34,380
way we talked about like a spiritual

2053
01:17:38,930 --> 01:17:36,600
Guru who has penetrating insight into

2054
01:17:41,169 --> 01:17:38,940
spiritual Realms might still be a jerk

2055
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,179
might be underdeveloped morally

2056
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:43,679
interpersonally you know those kind of

2057
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,540
things in the same way just because

2058
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:47,760
someone's had profound experiences with

2059
01:17:50,750 --> 01:17:49,380
the phenomenon different elements of it

2060
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:50,760
of which there I really want to

2061
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:52,980
highlight there are different elements

2062
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,659
um

2063
01:17:57,709 --> 01:17:55,920
just because they've had those

2064
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,719
experiences doesn't mean they are

2065
01:18:01,130 --> 01:17:59,760
trustworthy necessarily right that they

2066
01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:01,140
that you still have to look at who they

2067
01:18:04,430 --> 01:18:02,580
are as a person you still have to look

2068
01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:04,440
at their character you have to look at

2069
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:06,600
their flaws you have to look at how

2070
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,880
where they stand on the spiral of

2071
01:18:14,750 --> 01:18:11,280
Consciousness development and because

2072
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,760
that's because reality

2073
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,040
literally manifests differently

2074
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:19,320
depending on where you are on the on the

2075
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:21,780
spiral of Consciousness and so you could

2076
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:23,100
end up having

2077
01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:25,560
uh for instance just to give you a real

2078
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:28,020
base example

2079
01:18:34,130 --> 01:18:30,840
um some people can't separate their

2080
01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:34,140
initial visceral reaction from maybe

2081
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,300
some overarching metaphysical purpose

2082
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:38,699
you know so for instance some people

2083
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:40,620
I've run into people like this that they

2084
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:42,420
just if they have the ontological shock

2085
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:44,520
of seeing some of these others and they

2086
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:47,340
look insect-like right some people just

2087
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:49,860
say it was a horrible experience you

2088
01:18:54,169 --> 01:18:51,659
know those things were horrible right

2089
01:18:55,729 --> 01:18:54,179
and really maybe they never even had a

2090
01:18:58,189 --> 01:18:55,739
conversation or some sort of dialogue

2091
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,199
but they just again are projecting their

2092
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,840
own fear States right so I really want

2093
01:19:03,709 --> 01:19:02,640
to make that point that

2094
01:19:05,689 --> 01:19:03,719
um

2095
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:05,699
having profound experiences with the

2096
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,080
phenomenon different elements of it

2097
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:10,140
doesn't make you a profit doesn't make

2098
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:11,580
you someone who's necessarily

2099
01:19:15,470 --> 01:19:13,800
trustworthy and you're still going to

2100
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:15,480
filter those experiences through the

2101
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,860
grid of your own Consciousness

2102
01:19:22,970 --> 01:19:19,199
development so

2103
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:22,980
when I think on back on different people

2104
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:25,320
I really pay attention to that but I

2105
01:19:29,390 --> 01:19:27,780
will say that when I tune into people

2106
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,400
who've had experiences with a phenomenon

2107
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:31,860
that I consider quite well developed in

2108
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:33,900
terms of Consciousness it's remarkable

2109
01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:37,020
how similar uh the messages are from

2110
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,820
what I experience

2111
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:41,040
um and some of the best channeled

2112
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:42,840
material that I've come across

2113
01:19:46,669 --> 01:19:45,000
from people who are highly conscious is

2114
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:46,679
remarkably consistent when I have

2115
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:49,500
experienced and I would say also

2116
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:51,000
this is what's fascinating about this

2117
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:52,679
when we bring in spirituality and

2118
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,120
religious history

2119
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:57,000
same thing examples of people who maybe

2120
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,100
had a lot of fear States they will

2121
01:20:02,450 --> 01:20:00,960
interpret a religious experience maybe

2122
01:20:05,689 --> 01:20:02,460
in a negative way right where someone

2123
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:05,699
else will see it in a more uh purposeful

2124
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,320
way and they'll see it from a from a

2125
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:08,880
more of a 30 000 foot View and be able

2126
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:10,920
to see what was their visceral reaction

2127
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:12,360
and what was the actual underlying

2128
01:20:17,689 --> 01:20:15,480
message or something so

2129
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,699
I want to suggest to people that we keep

2130
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:19,440
all of these things in mind you know

2131
01:20:24,890 --> 01:20:20,880
don't

2132
01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,900
prime experiencer that they are a

2133
01:20:28,250 --> 01:20:26,520
trustworthy or a great example of what

2134
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:28,260
it is to be a human being Joseph Burks

2135
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,179
has talked about that he's experienced

2136
01:20:33,530 --> 01:20:31,920
what seems to be

2137
01:20:35,450 --> 01:20:33,540
kind of it comes across the board right

2138
01:20:36,770 --> 01:20:35,460
you get some people who are highly

2139
01:20:38,990 --> 01:20:36,780
developed some people who are sort of

2140
01:20:40,850 --> 01:20:39,000
maybe lower on the scale of moral

2141
01:20:42,290 --> 01:20:40,860
development so

2142
01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:42,300
um just keep that in mind when you when

2143
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:44,900
you think about the messages

2144
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,580
yeah that's uh

2145
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:49,679
there's a lot of wisdom in that and I

2146
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,300
think we have

2147
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:53,880
a natural tendency in in our current day

2148
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:56,820
and age to have a sort of

2149
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:00,480
reflexive response to individuals that

2150
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:02,760
in at least when it comes to spiritual

2151
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:04,440
matters who speak with a lot of

2152
01:21:10,729 --> 01:21:07,980
certainty or authority uh we've been

2153
01:21:13,209 --> 01:21:10,739
pretty well conditioned to

2154
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:13,219
push back against those individuals

2155
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:17,040
because we've seen so many examples in

2156
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:19,980
our modern history of abuse that has

2157
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:23,100
occurred from those who have been in

2158
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,260
those positions and have gained a

2159
01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:27,120
following and have gained power as a

2160
01:21:31,370 --> 01:21:29,580
result of that following so I think and

2161
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:31,380
you would Echo this that it's smart to

2162
01:21:38,990 --> 01:21:34,800
be in a sort of cautious to be aware to

2163
01:21:41,630 --> 01:21:39,000
be tuned in to uh understand the

2164
01:21:45,490 --> 01:21:41,640
motivations that people have that that

2165
01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:45,500
you have as an individual for being

2166
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:48,860
drawn to whatever message it may be

2167
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:52,500
and to constantly sort of be checking in

2168
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,800
with where you are in that in that

2169
01:22:00,669 --> 01:21:57,900
relationship with with that person or

2170
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,679
with that message or whatever it may be

2171
01:22:07,370 --> 01:22:03,360
that ultimately

2172
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:07,380
there is a the the journey that we take

2173
01:22:16,490 --> 01:22:11,940
is our own and we can be aided and

2174
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,500
guided by others who uh I think like

2175
01:22:20,930 --> 01:22:18,239
you know spark something within

2176
01:22:23,090 --> 01:22:20,940
ourselves that that catalyze a change

2177
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,100
and a change for the better and we can

2178
01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:25,320
celebrate that but but at the same time

2179
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:27,480
the journey like the steps have to be

2180
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:31,739
taken by ourselves and we you know have

2181
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:34,080
we have a responsibility to ourselves to

2182
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,920
be uh you know cautious and safe and uh

2183
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,360
checking in and making sure that we're

2184
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:41,760
going about that in a in a responsible

2185
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:44,820
mature way in seeking those kind of

2186
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:46,920
fundamental truths

2187
01:22:51,229 --> 01:22:49,440
um but you know I'm sure you're aware

2188
01:22:53,169 --> 01:22:51,239
you know because you brought this up on

2189
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,179
a couple of your shows and on our show

2190
01:22:58,010 --> 01:22:55,920
uh you know you certainly mentioned it a

2191
01:23:00,590 --> 01:22:58,020
few times you know that people have

2192
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:00,600
contacted you you know they've they've

2193
01:23:03,950 --> 01:23:02,520
heard you say something on a show and

2194
01:23:06,110 --> 01:23:03,960
and this was actually my experience with

2195
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,120
you too I've heard you say something and

2196
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:08,400
then they reached out to you and this is

2197
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,739
happening a lot more and more in fact

2198
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:12,960
the frequency seems to be going up I

2199
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:14,760
mean so a couple of questions from that

2200
01:23:20,030 --> 01:23:18,420
uh one what does that feel like

2201
01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:20,040
um but two

2202
01:23:23,930 --> 01:23:21,900
um if you could step outside of that

2203
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:23,940
experience and look at yourself and and

2204
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:25,800
listen to what you're saying what what

2205
01:23:31,610 --> 01:23:28,260
do you how do you see that you know does

2206
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:35,390
yeah uh I think it is worthwhile to sort

2207
01:23:37,850 --> 01:23:36,300
of think about it from those two

2208
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,860
perspectives so

2209
01:23:42,169 --> 01:23:40,020
first thing I would say is

2210
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:42,179
you know being

2211
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:44,159
I've had an interesting transition in

2212
01:23:47,870 --> 01:23:46,380
terms of I'm definitely more introverted

2213
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:47,880
by Nature

2214
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:50,940
so when I began my podcast almost two

2215
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,580
years ago now uh you know within about a

2216
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:54,960
month from now

2217
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:57,840
um I was planning to stay Anonymous and

2218
01:24:01,550 --> 01:23:59,340
just you know have a chance to sort of

2219
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:01,560
work out some processing about the

2220
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:02,760
phenomenon

2221
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,820
little did I know how much that would

2222
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,320
turn into

2223
01:24:11,570 --> 01:24:09,600
direct contact with some elements of it

2224
01:24:13,550 --> 01:24:11,580
and therefore a really clear

2225
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:13,560
understanding of a direction to go

2226
01:24:17,149 --> 01:24:15,540
and kind of like a mission that was kind

2227
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:17,159
of inspired by it

2228
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:18,659
but

2229
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:20,460
um as I kind of hinted at in the in the

2230
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:21,659
last show

2231
01:24:28,070 --> 01:24:24,600
on point of convergence I definitely

2232
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:28,080
think when I sort of came more uh you

2233
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:29,580
know out of the closet in terms of

2234
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:31,739
showing my face doing video interviews

2235
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:34,260
attending conferences speaking at

2236
01:24:36,649 --> 01:24:35,640
conferences

2237
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:36,659
um

2238
01:24:42,050 --> 01:24:39,960
it's like this other intelligence was

2239
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,060
waiting for that and things the the the

2240
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,980
experience of sort of this channeled

2241
01:24:48,410 --> 01:24:45,780
energy and communication and downloads

2242
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:48,420
went up like a hundred-fold after that

2243
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,380
began to take place and uh so my my

2244
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:54,480
saying yes was a big part of this I

2245
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,560
think

2246
01:24:59,090 --> 01:24:57,600
um and that uh one of the implications

2247
01:25:01,090 --> 01:24:59,100
of that has been that for whatever

2248
01:25:04,729 --> 01:25:01,100
reason there's some sort of energetic

2249
01:25:06,410 --> 01:25:04,739
resonance that seems to impact various

2250
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:06,420
people and so yeah I've had contact from

2251
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:07,860
people around the world who will have

2252
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:10,440
these interesting synchronistic

2253
01:25:14,510 --> 01:25:13,020
experiences of like you know basically

2254
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,520
basically being told that they should

2255
01:25:19,130 --> 01:25:16,800
get in contact with me and then we will

2256
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:19,140
end up talking and there'll be some sort

2257
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,480
of further Revelation that comes out of

2258
01:25:26,630 --> 01:25:24,239
the fruit of that interaction

2259
01:25:27,950 --> 01:25:26,640
um that's happened from people on the

2260
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,960
other side of the world and people who

2261
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:30,239
ended up moving here and getting in

2262
01:25:35,209 --> 01:25:31,440
contact with me and feeling like that

2263
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:35,219
all happened for a reason so uh how that

2264
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:38,699
feels is you know

2265
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:41,340
it's kind of awe-inspiring it's a great

2266
01:25:46,130 --> 01:25:43,860
feeling to feel like you're part of some

2267
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:46,140
larger movement

2268
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:47,940
um of which you're a part and you get to

2269
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:51,719
play a role in what feels like uh

2270
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:54,420
and move towards moving Consciousness

2271
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:57,780
forward Right Moving Humanity forward

2272
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:01,620
um actually finding ways to to live life

2273
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:04,320
differently in every aspect of life so

2274
01:26:08,590 --> 01:26:05,820
that's what it feels like that's a great

2275
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:08,600
feeling uh there's nothing like feeling

2276
01:26:13,790 --> 01:26:11,340
vitally purposefully alive right that's

2277
01:26:16,610 --> 01:26:13,800
what it really comes down to at the same

2278
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:16,620
time I recognize if I were to step back

2279
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:18,239
and even like have a conversation with

2280
01:26:21,550 --> 01:26:19,860
myself from five years ago maybe even

2281
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,560
three years ago

2282
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:23,520
uh I would have had a hard time

2283
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,260
believing this was going to happen and I

2284
01:26:29,629 --> 01:26:26,880
I wouldn't know what to do with it right

2285
01:26:31,629 --> 01:26:29,639
which again from a Buddhist perspective

2286
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:31,639
that's part of the irony is that when we

2287
01:26:36,110 --> 01:26:34,440
lament losing who we are the truth is

2288
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:36,120
we're constantly shifting who we are

2289
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:38,219
right and so everything's in transition

2290
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,440
including who we really are especially

2291
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:42,000
if we're paying attention to the lessons

2292
01:26:45,290 --> 01:26:43,679
we're supposed to be learning we should

2293
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:45,300
be different people than we were five

2294
01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:46,380
years ago and we should be actually

2295
01:26:50,810 --> 01:26:48,300
experiencing reality differently that's

2296
01:26:53,930 --> 01:26:50,820
the goal not just between iterations but

2297
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,940
also within an iteration so yeah I

2298
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:55,380
recognize that

2299
01:27:00,110 --> 01:26:56,760
um

2300
01:27:01,490 --> 01:27:00,120
I might have been a skeptic of myself so

2301
01:27:04,490 --> 01:27:01,500
a former Darren would have been a

2302
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:04,500
skeptic of Darren of present time which

2303
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,880
is an interesting uh thing to think

2304
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:07,679
about

2305
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:10,500
well thank you for speaking to that

2306
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:11,580
um but let's spend a few more minutes

2307
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:14,760
here uh maybe we'll go over just by Tad

2308
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:18,179
on our usual run time is because I think

2309
01:27:22,490 --> 01:27:20,760
this next question is uh is quite a big

2310
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:22,500
one

2311
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,520
um so this listener asks what's the end

2312
01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:27,360
game

2313
01:27:32,090 --> 01:27:29,159
I have agreed with all of your

2314
01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:32,100
conclusions in the last few podcasts and

2315
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,159
in many ways uh have felt that I've

2316
01:27:39,649 --> 01:27:37,920
already woken up to these uh somehow to

2317
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:39,659
these kinds of downloads I've been moved

2318
01:27:43,370 --> 01:27:41,159
to tell people about this but what's the

2319
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:43,380
big picture is this how disclosure

2320
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,719
happens I heard you reference a lot of

2321
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:47,639
people were contacting you so is this

2322
01:27:52,189 --> 01:27:49,139
the kind of thing going on everywhere

2323
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:52,199
and if so where does it lead and

2324
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:53,760
understanding from all Humanity that we

2325
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:55,380
are more than our physical bodies and

2326
01:27:58,850 --> 01:27:56,940
then does that lead to something like

2327
01:28:01,610 --> 01:27:58,860
the law of one material so lots of

2328
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:01,620
questions here from this listener but I

2329
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:04,500
think the big one here overall is where

2330
01:28:07,129 --> 01:28:05,760
is this going

2331
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:07,139
right

2332
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:10,739
so I'll say a few things about that

2333
01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:12,060
um

2334
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,280
and I kind of touched on this and the

2335
01:28:16,669 --> 01:28:15,840
point of convergence podcast on the

2336
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,679
weekend

2337
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,440
and that is absolutely there are

2338
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:21,360
um again an implication of non-duality

2339
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,040
is that

2340
01:28:27,890 --> 01:28:25,440
um for being sitter at a high level of

2341
01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:27,900
Consciousness there's fear of concern

2342
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,420
naturally extends towards every

2343
01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:32,880
expression of sentient life throughout

2344
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,860
the cosmos and the same way that you

2345
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:36,960
know would not you know randomly cut

2346
01:28:41,470 --> 01:28:39,780
your arm off uh or you'd be concerned if

2347
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:41,480
your arm was sitting next to a buzzsaw

2348
01:28:46,430 --> 01:28:44,460
the same way these beings are concerned

2349
01:28:47,810 --> 01:28:46,440
if we are sitting on nuclear weapons

2350
01:28:49,729 --> 01:28:47,820
that could you know wipe us off the

2351
01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:49,739
planet and destroy a huge part of the

2352
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,719
biosphere so it's just a natural

2353
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:54,000
implication of a non-dual realization is

2354
01:28:58,910 --> 01:28:55,920
that that sphere of concern extends and

2355
01:29:03,169 --> 01:28:58,920
those beings exist and they're trying to

2356
01:29:05,629 --> 01:29:03,179
help us but uh there's a respect for

2357
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,639
where we are in the process and what's

2358
01:29:09,709 --> 01:29:07,080
as we've touched on in a previous

2359
01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:09,719
podcast episodes it's more important

2360
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:13,560
that we understand on our own why

2361
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:16,920
you know having nuclear weapons and bio

2362
01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:18,900
weapons and

2363
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:21,540
you know being so adversarial towards

2364
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,560
each other

2365
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:24,480
it's good for us to learn those lessons

2366
01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:27,239
on our own not be told them by some

2367
01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:29,100
higher intelligence whether it's alien

2368
01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:31,020
life or what we perceive as a God or a

2369
01:29:36,649 --> 01:29:33,960
deity but for us ourselves to step into

2370
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:36,659
the progress of evolution Consciousness

2371
01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:38,340
development and recognize on our own

2372
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:40,500
that those are not good things so when

2373
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,840
we reach out with the right intention

2374
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:44,580
um they are ready to help us make those

2375
01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:46,440
steps but they really want us to be the

2376
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:48,120
ones making it you know they don't want

2377
01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:50,159
to be the parents doing the homework for

2378
01:29:54,169 --> 01:29:51,780
you kind of thing to use sort of like a

2379
01:29:56,750 --> 01:29:54,179
crude analogy right I mean

2380
01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:56,760
um because again this lifetime as we've

2381
01:30:01,370 --> 01:29:58,860
discussed before is not all that matters

2382
01:30:03,050 --> 01:30:01,380
it's not it does matter but it's what

2383
01:30:05,689 --> 01:30:03,060
not what ultimately matters what

2384
01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:05,699
ultimately matters is how we progress as

2385
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,800
individual consciousnesses and how we

2386
01:30:11,330 --> 01:30:09,120
progress as kind of a planetary

2387
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,340
Consciousness as well in terms of the

2388
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:13,679
combination of of conscious agents and

2389
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,659
so that's what they're interested in

2390
01:30:19,550 --> 01:30:17,880
but again they're not going to solve our

2391
01:30:21,169 --> 01:30:19,560
problems for us they're not going to

2392
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,179
show up and say hey we hear you have

2393
01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:23,520
global warming issues we hear you have

2394
01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:25,739
you know problems with nuclear weapons

2395
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:29,940
they will assist and even psychically

2396
01:30:33,709 --> 01:30:32,219
influence us when we reach out with the

2397
01:30:36,770 --> 01:30:33,719
right intention

2398
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:36,780
and many people who have been inspired

2399
01:30:40,430 --> 01:30:38,880
with various solutions to things I think

2400
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:40,440
are actually channeling some of this

2401
01:30:45,310 --> 01:30:43,199
stuff but again

2402
01:30:48,350 --> 01:30:45,320
those ones exist but at the same time

2403
01:30:51,290 --> 01:30:48,360
there are many many others that exist as

2404
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,300
well who are not as high on on that

2405
01:30:56,209 --> 01:30:54,239
Consciousness spiral and there really is

2406
01:30:58,729 --> 01:30:56,219
it sort of covers the gamut right so

2407
01:31:01,310 --> 01:30:58,739
when when people want to paint these

2408
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:01,320
others you know in terms of are they

2409
01:31:05,390 --> 01:31:02,820
good or the evil can we trust them or

2410
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,400
not I'm like well use common sense right

2411
01:31:09,290 --> 01:31:07,440
the same way that you you you know so

2412
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,300
you sign a contract for someone do work

2413
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:11,760
on your house yes you want to assume the

2414
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:13,320
best but you're also going to check

2415
01:31:16,250 --> 01:31:14,760
their history right you're going to look

2416
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:16,260
at the work they do you're going to see

2417
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,900
what kind of vibe they give you uh you

2418
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,000
know basic Common Sense needs to be

2419
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:23,280
applied here as well so

2420
01:31:27,410 --> 01:31:24,780
um

2421
01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:27,420
be a part of the solution

2422
01:31:31,550 --> 01:31:29,699
recognize that we need to be the chains

2423
01:31:34,669 --> 01:31:31,560
we're seeking and these others know that

2424
01:31:35,689 --> 01:31:34,679
too the most consciously Advanced ones

2425
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:35,699
do

2426
01:31:41,930 --> 01:31:38,880
um and uh stepping into our destiny so

2427
01:31:44,209 --> 01:31:41,940
that ultimately we as a those of us who

2428
01:31:45,590 --> 01:31:44,219
are sort of ready to step into that next

2429
01:31:48,410 --> 01:31:45,600
level of understanding of the

2430
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:48,420
connectedness of all sentient life and

2431
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:49,860
our connection to the the Earth and

2432
01:31:54,530 --> 01:31:51,780
everything recognizing that everything

2433
01:31:56,990 --> 01:31:54,540
has inherent value that everything that

2434
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:57,000
shows up as a physical manifestation in

2435
01:32:01,250 --> 01:31:59,400
this reality also has an underlying

2436
01:32:03,729 --> 01:32:01,260
energetic kind of spiritual value to it

2437
01:32:06,590 --> 01:32:03,739
as well including the Earth

2438
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:06,600
that moving forward with that

2439
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:08,699
understanding changing how we live is

2440
01:32:13,550 --> 01:32:10,380
really what the end game is in terms of

2441
01:32:16,010 --> 01:32:13,560
what I feel inspired to to do

2442
01:32:18,410 --> 01:32:16,020
um and in terms of

2443
01:32:21,350 --> 01:32:18,420
what the overall you know sort of

2444
01:32:23,209 --> 01:32:21,360
geopolitical spectrum of the cosmos is I

2445
01:32:24,950 --> 01:32:23,219
think that there's just like there are

2446
01:32:27,169 --> 01:32:24,960
here there's all sorts of different

2447
01:32:29,450 --> 01:32:27,179
levels of consciousness on the spiral

2448
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:29,460
that are working their Will based on

2449
01:32:33,050 --> 01:32:30,780
their current understanding and like you

2450
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:33,060
pointed out earlier they can be

2451
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:34,620
technologically more advanced than of

2452
01:32:38,750 --> 01:32:36,120
some of them but not necessarily morally

2453
01:32:40,610 --> 01:32:38,760
more advanced or they can still mostly

2454
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,620
be in self-service or some of them can

2455
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:43,199
even be convinced that they're doing the

2456
01:32:46,129 --> 01:32:44,820
right thing but it's still based on a

2457
01:32:48,410 --> 01:32:46,139
less than complete understanding of

2458
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:48,420
non-duality and so it's going to be a

2459
01:32:52,189 --> 01:32:50,639
partial understanding that still can

2460
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,199
kind of be self-serving the same way we

2461
01:32:55,850 --> 01:32:54,239
can sometimes run into that interaction

2462
01:32:58,430 --> 01:32:55,860
with human beings and other human groups

2463
01:33:00,290 --> 01:32:58,440
so again apply common sense just like

2464
01:33:01,729 --> 01:33:00,300
you shouldn't join a uh you know a

2465
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:01,739
spiritual movement and assume that the

2466
01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:04,620
leader is advanced in all these areas if

2467
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,360
you are in contact with a group of

2468
01:33:11,629 --> 01:33:08,639
others or an individual being

2469
01:33:14,570 --> 01:33:11,639
basic tests basic Common Sense uh

2470
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:14,580
applies across the board

2471
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,219
what I appreciate about it is it has a

2472
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:19,260
great deal of complexity but also

2473
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,880
there's a

2474
01:33:26,830 --> 01:33:22,800
a resonant

2475
01:33:29,930 --> 01:33:26,840
truth to looking at reality in this way

2476
01:33:32,689 --> 01:33:29,940
and I also think that it provides a

2477
01:33:35,450 --> 01:33:32,699
tremendous amount of value it imbues

2478
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:35,460
experience with value that experience

2479
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:38,760
itself is is connoted with value and

2480
01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:42,000
meaning and that is incredibly important

2481
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,139
in a world that we inhabit now where so

2482
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:48,480
much of what is happening around us and

2483
01:33:52,189 --> 01:33:50,100
the way in which we're taught to look at

2484
01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:52,199
the world and our own lives and

2485
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:54,840
experience that so much of this doesn't

2486
01:33:59,890 --> 01:33:57,840
matter at all but when you look at it

2487
01:34:03,530 --> 01:33:59,900
from this different perspective

2488
01:34:05,629 --> 01:34:03,540
the value is in each experience each

2489
01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:05,639
experience is an opportunity

2490
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:09,540
for growth and Novelty and learning and

2491
01:34:16,250 --> 01:34:13,080
wisdom and to to not take those

2492
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:16,260
opportunities and to discard them or say

2493
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:18,300
that they don't matter like that does a

2494
01:34:25,189 --> 01:34:22,320
disservice not only to our iteration of

2495
01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,199
this experience but to the the

2496
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:27,900
experience of the larger Cosmos like

2497
01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:31,679
that we are all part of this Grand uh

2498
01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:35,760
play story and every part every piece

2499
01:34:41,629 --> 01:34:38,460
every set you know everything that is in

2500
01:34:45,290 --> 01:34:41,639
goes into that that story has value and

2501
01:34:48,050 --> 01:34:45,300
adds to the power of of what that

2502
01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:48,060
ultimately becomes because it is in a

2503
01:34:55,610 --> 01:34:51,900
state of becoming and I think you know

2504
01:34:58,729 --> 01:34:55,620
to my experience of it and and awareness

2505
01:35:03,649 --> 01:34:58,739
of it that process does not end that

2506
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:03,659
that becoming is is infinite uh there's

2507
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:08,400
always new layers and depth and breadth

2508
01:35:15,649 --> 01:35:12,960
to that to that reality and it's seeking

2509
01:35:17,450 --> 01:35:15,659
that and so that to me is a story worth

2510
01:35:19,490 --> 01:35:17,460
telling and celebrating and being part

2511
01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,500
of and I think that that's why I

2512
01:35:24,590 --> 01:35:22,679
resonate so strongly with uh this way of

2513
01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:24,600
looking at it and it's also why kind of

2514
01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:26,580
the more I'm I've gotten into it myself

2515
01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:29,400
the less I've been interested in some of

2516
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:33,659
the kind of technicalities of uh the UFO

2517
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,480
craft or the beings or the because when

2518
01:35:40,910 --> 01:35:38,159
you when you understand this concept

2519
01:35:43,370 --> 01:35:40,920
those things in some ways can feel quite

2520
01:35:44,810 --> 01:35:43,380
trivial to the larger questions and

2521
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:44,820
picture

2522
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,280
absolutely I think there's several

2523
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:50,159
Revelations that impact

2524
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:52,679
you know what really is of import when

2525
01:35:56,689 --> 01:35:54,840
it comes to the UFO phenomenon and like

2526
01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:56,699
you point towards and I've mentioned

2527
01:36:00,890 --> 01:35:58,560
this before as well

2528
01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:00,900
um you know being

2529
01:36:06,590 --> 01:36:03,480
fascinated with the Craft only takes you

2530
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:06,600
so far for number one

2531
01:36:11,149 --> 01:36:09,600
these beings many of them are sort of

2532
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,159
vibrating at dimensional levels where

2533
01:36:17,090 --> 01:36:13,679
they can manifest uh any kind of

2534
01:36:19,250 --> 01:36:17,100
physicality uh uh on the spot and so

2535
01:36:20,930 --> 01:36:19,260
getting caught up in the functionality

2536
01:36:22,910 --> 01:36:20,940
kind of misses the point

2537
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:22,920
um you know and what's much more

2538
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:24,900
important is is who's behind the craft

2539
01:36:29,689 --> 01:36:27,360
right piloting or piloting it or you

2540
01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:29,699
know remotely controlling or whatever

2541
01:36:35,390 --> 01:36:32,460
um but yeah in the same way you know I

2542
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:35,400
think one assumption that people make

2543
01:36:40,010 --> 01:36:38,040
that we've kind of grown up with partly

2544
01:36:42,010 --> 01:36:40,020
in science fiction and partly just what

2545
01:36:45,169 --> 01:36:42,020
we were taught in science class

2546
01:36:47,209 --> 01:36:45,179
we have been led to believe that alien

2547
01:36:49,070 --> 01:36:47,219
intelligences would be nothing like us

2548
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,080
right and they would think nothing like

2549
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:51,360
us and you know their understanding of

2550
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:53,400
morality you know we might be like ants

2551
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:54,900
to them and they just wipe us off you

2552
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:56,159
know like you hear those kind of things

2553
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:57,360
all the time right you hear these

2554
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,000
Notions of it's a prison planet or we're

2555
01:37:03,110 --> 01:37:01,920
just you know cattle to them and all

2556
01:37:04,610 --> 01:37:03,120
these kind of things and in a lot of

2557
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:04,620
ways we're reflecting our own

2558
01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:07,199
Consciousness and our own shadow back on

2559
01:37:10,850 --> 01:37:09,000
ourselves when we think that way because

2560
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:10,860
we do that to other species which

2561
01:37:16,910 --> 01:37:13,920
there's a lesson in that in itself

2562
01:37:19,490 --> 01:37:16,920
uh but I think one of the revelations

2563
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:19,500
I've definitely had in my experiences is

2564
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:20,639
that

2565
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,480
this Consciousness spiral applies to all

2566
01:37:28,850 --> 01:37:27,360
sentient life right so

2567
01:37:31,790 --> 01:37:28,860
um they are going through the same

2568
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:31,800
progress as we are and are somewhere on

2569
01:37:37,129 --> 01:37:34,560
that spiral some higher than others and

2570
01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:37,139
it's not about trying to say one is

2571
01:37:40,430 --> 01:37:38,580
better than the other that's really the

2572
01:37:43,070 --> 01:37:40,440
wrong way to look at it uh you know you

2573
01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:43,080
get as many iterations as you need to

2574
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,239
learn the lessons right

2575
01:37:49,250 --> 01:37:47,760
um so it's not about helping Johnny with

2576
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:49,260
his homework so he finally gets out of

2577
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:50,400
high school because then what's Johnny

2578
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,840
going to do when he has to live his life

2579
01:37:55,550 --> 01:37:53,520
right he's he suddenly doesn't have the

2580
01:37:57,649 --> 01:37:55,560
tools so the important thing is to learn

2581
01:37:59,570 --> 01:37:57,659
the lessons we're here to learn and

2582
01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:59,580
these others are on that same path and

2583
01:38:04,689 --> 01:38:01,020
that's why it's strange to me when

2584
01:38:10,129 --> 01:38:07,189
don't think about just common sense

2585
01:38:12,229 --> 01:38:10,139
questions about who these others are not

2586
01:38:14,510 --> 01:38:12,239
just in terms of

2587
01:38:16,370 --> 01:38:14,520
um are they good or are they bad but

2588
01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:16,380
even when they think they're being good

2589
01:38:20,090 --> 01:38:18,120
there are some people we know in the

2590
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,100
world that might have a very kind of

2591
01:38:25,250 --> 01:38:22,800
constricting religious perspective right

2592
01:38:26,689 --> 01:38:25,260
a fairly fundamentalist one and they

2593
01:38:29,629 --> 01:38:26,699
believe they're doing the right thing

2594
01:38:31,790 --> 01:38:29,639
right they they they believe to their

2595
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,800
core sometimes that this is what God

2596
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:33,600
wants them to do right

2597
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:35,880
and we might look at it and see it as

2598
01:38:39,169 --> 01:38:37,440
partial we might see that they still

2599
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,179
have kind of a tribal mentality right

2600
01:38:42,770 --> 01:38:41,040
that that whether you look at

2601
01:38:45,169 --> 01:38:42,780
fundamentalist Islam or fundamentalist

2602
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,179
Christianity right it's remarkably

2603
01:38:48,649 --> 01:38:46,800
similar it's like two sides of the same

2604
01:38:50,510 --> 01:38:48,659
coin and it says more about that level

2605
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:50,520
of Consciousness than it does about

2606
01:38:53,689 --> 01:38:52,380
either religion right and on the other

2607
01:38:55,910 --> 01:38:53,699
end of the spectrum you could have a

2608
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:55,920
very Progressive Christian or a very

2609
01:38:59,629 --> 01:38:58,199
Progressive Muslim right who really has

2610
01:39:01,370 --> 01:38:59,639
this kind of universal sense of

2611
01:39:03,709 --> 01:39:01,380
everything being connected and and

2612
01:39:05,450 --> 01:39:03,719
loving everyone right and never wanting

2613
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,460
to harm anyone so

2614
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,920
that applies here too you know that

2615
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,600
these these being it's not just about

2616
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:11,280
whether they're good or bad or where

2617
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,260
they even you know project themselves as

2618
01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:14,880
good or bad it's also about what is

2619
01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:16,760
their level of self-awareness what is

2620
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:19,260
self-evident truth looks different at

2621
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,420
every stage of Consciousness right and

2622
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:23,280
that's not just true for human beings

2623
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:25,620
it's also true for these others too and

2624
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:28,560
that's why the best way we can have

2625
01:39:32,510 --> 01:39:30,900
um the most discernment about what's

2626
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:32,520
going on and who we're interacting with

2627
01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:34,980
rather than being overwhelmed by I could

2628
01:39:38,330 --> 01:39:36,900
be being duped right that kind of thing

2629
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,340
I often get that kind of question how do

2630
01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:40,320
you know you're not being duped well you

2631
01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:41,699
have to develop your own Consciousness

2632
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,980
to the point where you are able to

2633
01:39:47,689 --> 01:39:45,600
discern those differences that you have

2634
01:39:49,070 --> 01:39:47,699
a subtle awareness where you can pick up

2635
01:39:51,890 --> 01:39:49,080
on that and then you ask the same

2636
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:51,900
questions about self-evident truths

2637
01:40:04,070 --> 01:39:59,750
so well said uh well the DNA of this

2638
01:40:06,590 --> 01:40:04,080
show of luminal frames is to celebrate

2639
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:06,600
the exploration of these kinds of ideas

2640
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:10,980
and and of the Journey of discovery

2641
01:40:16,689 --> 01:40:13,920
and you know it's been quite a journey

2642
01:40:20,270 --> 01:40:16,699
so far this year and we're not done yet

2643
01:40:22,729 --> 01:40:20,280
so there's there's still episodes uh

2644
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:22,739
left in the in the tank here before the

2645
01:40:30,410 --> 01:40:27,060
end of uh 2022 and I know we're both

2646
01:40:32,830 --> 01:40:30,420
looking forward to what 2023 will bring

2647
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:32,840
this has been an enjoyable episode

2648
01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:35,400
responding to these questions and and

2649
01:40:42,250 --> 01:40:38,460
giving you a chance to expound on your

2650
01:40:45,530 --> 01:40:42,260
perspective I have very much enjoyed

2651
01:40:47,629 --> 01:40:45,540
your insights and your willingness to be

2652
01:40:51,169 --> 01:40:47,639
challenged by these questions and by my

2653
01:40:54,530 --> 01:40:51,179
own questions our Journeys are are

2654
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:54,540
joined but are also distinct and uh and

2655
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,840
quite different and we talk about that a

2656
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,760
good bit and maybe we'll dig into some

2657
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:01,760
of that a little bit more in the future

2658
01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:05,100
uh with our listeners and we're so

2659
01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:07,020
grateful for everybody who submitted

2660
01:41:11,870 --> 01:41:10,020
questions and uh and those of you who

2661
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:11,880
had questions that we couldn't get to we

2662
01:41:15,770 --> 01:41:14,280
do apologize please keep sending them

2663
01:41:18,830 --> 01:41:15,780
our way and we'll I'm sure do another

2664
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:18,840
episode like this in the future so I

2665
01:41:23,330 --> 01:41:20,460
want to thank everybody for for joining

2666
01:41:28,189 --> 01:41:25,850
May the quality of our questions shaped

2667
01:41:30,890 --> 01:41:28,199
by a desire for understanding enhance

2668
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:30,900
our journey of Discovery and may our

2669
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,520
travels broaden the sphere of our

2670
01:41:37,609 --> 01:41:34,560
Consciousness reminding us that new

2671
01:41:40,609 --> 01:41:37,619
discoveries beget New Horizons

2672
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:40,619
as always Adventure awaits

2673
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:42,540
we'll see you next time on liminal

2674
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:44,280
frames

2675
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:48,700
[Music]

2676
01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:50,280
[Laughter]